HEY ALL RIGHT, WE ARE READY TO START.
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EVERYONE, WELCOME TO THE BOARD OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK DISTRICT ON MONDAY, JANUARY 29TH, BEGINNING AT 10:35 A.M.WE ARE NOW OPEN, AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUR ROLL CALL.
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. TODAY'S MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO THE BROWN ACT.STAFF IS PROVIDING LIVE AUDIO AND VIDEO STREAMING.
MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT MAY DO SO BY SUBMITTING AN EMAIL, LEAVING A VOICEMAIL, OR JOINING LIVE VIA ZOOM WITH THE LINK PROVIDED ON THE AGENDA LOCATED ON THE DISTRICT WEBSITE.
IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEETING PROCEDURES, WE WILL BEGIN.
I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEETING PROCEDURES.
YOU'LL HAVE 3 MINUTES AND IF YOU COULD PROCEED TO THE PODIUM.
AND IF YOU WOULD TURN ON THE MIC BY TOUCHING THE BUTTON.
THANK YOU. IS THAT ON? CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY.
HI, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE WU AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY VERY DEEPLY GROWING CONCERN ABOUT HOW KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT IS PRIVATIZING ANTHONY CHABOT EQUESTRIAN CENTER.
FIRST, THEY HAVE ERASED THE HISTORIC NAME OF ANTHONY CHABOT EQUESTRIAN CENTER.
ANY ONLINE SEARCH ENGINE RETURNS KEYSTONE STABLES.
THERE IS NO LONGER ANTHONY CHABOT EQUESTRIAN CENTER, EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK DISTRICT CHAIR SAM WONG.
I BELIEVE THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM.
[INAUDIBLE] THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SKIP SOME OF THIS COMMENT, BUT IF YOU HAVE OTHER COMMENTS DURING YOUR ALLOTTED TIME, NOT FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO USE YOUR OH, I THOUGHT THIS WAS THIS WAS FOR I THOUGHT THE AGENDA WAS LAS TRAMPAS.
I'M GOING TO DEFER TO OUR ATTORNEY HERE ON THIS ITEM.
SO IT'S THE SAME CONCESSIONAIRE.
SO I BELIEVE IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM.
OKAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO OKAY. SO I'LL WAIT AND THEN SPEAK AFTER.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA? MAYBE ANYONE IN THE ZOOM? IF YOU'D RAISE YOUR HAND, IF YOU'RE IN THE ZOOM ROOM.
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GOOD MORNING.LISA GOORJIAN ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER OF OPERATIONS I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM THAT WILL BE PRESENTED BY RUBY TUMBER, ACTING BUSINESS SERVICES MANAGER.
THE PARK DISTRICT DOES TAKE EVERY COMMENT SERIOUSLY AND REVIEWS THEM THOROUGHLY.
TO DATE, NOTHING WE HAVE LEARNED LEGALLY PRECLUDES THE PARK DISTRICT FROM ENTERING OR CONTINUING OUR CONTRACTS WITH KEYSTONE, OUR CONTRACT WITH KEYSTONE, OR CHANGES THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THE DISTRICT DOES NOT MANAGE THE BOARDING AGREEMENT WITH THE CUSTOMERS OR THE BOARDERS.
SO TODAY, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS TO AWARD A CONCESSION CONTRACT TO RUN THE LAS TRAMPAS STABLES.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE CAME TO THE BOARD OPERATING COMMITTEE LAST FALL TO ENTER INTO AN INTERIM AGREEMENT WITH KEYSTONE AFTER THE CONCESSION LEFT ON VERY SHORT NOTICE PRIOR TO THEIR CONTRACT ENDING.
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BY KEYSTONE IN COMPARISON TO THE PREVIOUS CONCESSIONAIRE.THE DISTRICT HAS STATED OBJECTIVES TO FOREMOST PROVIDE AND WHERE POSSIBLE, INCREASE PUBLIC ACCESS AND TO HAVE A CONCESSIONAIRE THAT IS FISCALLY ACCOUNTABLE AND HAS DEMONSTRATED EXPERIENCE AS A BUSINESS OPERATING WITHIN THE STRUCTURE OF THE PUBLIC SECTOR. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO RUBY.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
I'M RUBY TUMBER, ACTING BUSINESS SERVICES MANAGER.
THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION AGM GOORJIAN.
I'M HERE TODAY SEEKING A RECOMMENDATION TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT COMPANY AT LAS TRAMPAS STABLES AND EXCUSE THE SOUND OF MY VOICE. I'M SORRY. I'M GETTING OVER A COLD FOR THIS PRESENTATION TODAY, I'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THE LOCATION OF LAS TRAMPAS STABLES, AS WELL AS A GENERAL BACKGROUND ON THE SITUATION WHICH AGM GOORJIAN ALLUDED TO.
OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS AND OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
LAS TRAMPAS STABLES IS LOCATED IN LAS TRAMPAS WILDERNESS REGIONAL PRESERVE.
THE CONCESSION HAS OVER EIGHT ACRES THAT IT OVERSEES WITH ABOUT 50 STALLS, OVER 50 STALLS ALTOGETHER, COVERED PADDOCKS, SEGMENTED PASTURES AND INDOOR ARENA.
A LARGE BARN, A SHAVING SHED, A MANURE SHED AS WELL AS TWO ON SITE RESIDENCES.
THE OPERATION INCLUDES HORSE BOARDING GROUP AND INDIVIDUAL INSTRUCTION FOR ADULTS AND YOUTH, AS WELL AS OTHER PROGRAMS. THESE CAN INCLUDE HORSE CLINICS, SHOWS, EDUCATIONAL AND INSTRUCTIONAL PROGRAMS. IN JULY OF LAST YEAR, WE RECEIVED WORD THAT THE FORMER CONCESSIONAIRE WOULD BE LEAVING, AND WE RECEIVED A 30 DAY NOTICE OF HER DEPARTURE.
DURING THAT TIME, WE ENGAGED IN DIRECT NEGOTIATIONS WITH KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, AND THEY CAME IN AS THE INTERIM OPERATING CONCESSIONAIRE AT LAS TRAMPAS STABLES. DURING THAT TIME, WE BEGAN FORMULATING AN RFP TO GO OUT TO BID LAST FALL.
THIS IS A BRIEF OUTLINE OF THE PROPOSAL TIMELINE.
AT THE SITE VISIT, WE RECEIVED ATTENDANCE FROM TEN DIFFERENT PEOPLE, BUT THEY WERE FROM THREE DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND WE ULTIMATELY GOT THREE SUBMISSIONS FROM EACH OF THEM.
AFTER CONDUCTING A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF EVERYONE'S PROPOSALS AS WELL AS INTERVIEWS, WE HAVE DECIDED TO SELECT KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR THE CONTINUED OPERATION AT LAS TRAMPAS STABLES.
THEY WILL BE OFFERING A RANGE OF SERVICES SUCH AS TRAIL RIDES, HORSE CAMPS AND ONSITE CLINICS TO THE SAN RAMON AREA, AND THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THEIR LESSON PROGRAM, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND EQUESTRIAN EDUCATION THROUGH VARIOUS COLLABORATIONS, INCLUDING POTENTIALLY PARTNERING WITH THE NEIGHBORING LITTLE HILLS TO OFFER EQUESTRIAN ENGAGEMENT FOR THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT THEY HOLD THERE.
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ANTHONY CHABOT, EQUESTRIAN THEY HAVE BEEN THE ANTHONY CHABOT EQUESTRIAN CONCESSIONAIRE.AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THEY HAVE BEEN THE INTERIM OPERATOR AT LAS TRAMPAS STABLES, AND PER THE ANNUAL FEE SCHEDULE PROCESS, KEYSTONE RECOMMENDED A BOARD INCREASE TO BEGIN IN 2024. AS YOU MAY RECALL, THIS WAS RECOMMENDED TO THIS COMMITTEE AND APPROVED BY THE FULL BOARD OF DIRECTORS LAST YEAR AND CAME INTO EFFECT IN 2024.
BASED ON THOSE FEE INCREASES, WHICH HAVE GONE UP FROM 650 TO 765 PER MONTH, WE ARE PROJECTING AN ANNUAL REVENUE OF ABOUT $411,000 A YEAR, AND WILL BE COLLECTING 5% FOR THEIR CONCESSION FEE AND 5% INTO THE CMF, WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, THE CONCESSION MAINTENANCE FUND GOES BACK INTO THE REHABILITATION, UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY.
WITH THAT SAID, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE BOARD OPERATIONS COMMITTEE APPROVE AND RECOMMEND TO THE FULL BOARD THE SELECTION OF KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT COMPANY AS A CONCESSIONAIRE OF THE LOST TRUMPET STABLES CONCESSION, WITH A THREE YEAR TERM BEGINNING MARCH 1ST OF THIS YEAR AND A POSSIBLE SEVEN YEAR TERM AT THE PARK DISTRICT SOLE DISCRETION. EXPECTED REVENUE IS UP TO 20,000 PER YEAR BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF GROSS RECEIPTS AND I WILL TAKE QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR THE WORK PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO DO BOARD MEMBER.
COMMITTEE MEMBER QUESTIONS FIRST.
BUT LET'S FIRST DO QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
SO CAN YOU JUST FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I KNOW THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS APPROVES FEES WHEN IT COMES TO US AND CAN YOU JUST OUTLINE THE PROCESS, HOW WE COMPARE RATES FROM NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES.
YES. THANK YOU. SO IN THE FEE SCHEDULE PROCESS, WE DO AN ANALYSIS OF THE PROPOSED FEES AND DO A MARKET COMPARISON WITH SIMILAR FACILITIES WITHIN THE REGION.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE CURRENT FEES, IF APPROVED WOULD THEY BE BELOW OR ABOVE OR AT MEDIAN OR BELOW? I KNOW THAT WHEN WE LAST DID THE ANALYSIS, WHEN WE DID THE ANALYSIS LAST FALL, THERE WAS ONLY ONE OTHER STABLE OPERATOR IN THIS REGION THAT WAS CHARGING LESS.
IS THAT ALL? OKAY, LET'S DO QUESTIONS FIRST.
BUT THEN CERTAINLY WE'LL HEAR YOUR REQUESTS FROM THE QUESTIONNAIRE.
SO DO YOU FROM THE CONCESSIONAIRE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, I'M INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY ANYTHING TO SHARE WITH US THAT IT MAKES IT DIFFERENT, MUCH DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS PERSON WHO IS RUNNING THIS.
IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY DIFFERENT? AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE PART OF OUR SELECTION FOR KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT COMPANY WAS BASED ON THEIR STRONG FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN AT ANTHONY CHABOT EQUESTRIAN CENTER.
THE PREVIOUS CONCESSIONAIRE DID NOT DO A LOT OF PRICE ADJUSTMENTS YEAR TO YEAR WHEN IT CAME THROUGH TO THE FEE SCHEDULE PROCESS AND I THINK SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF THAT AND SO WASN'T ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE HIGHER INFLATIONARY COSTS OF DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND FEED AND LABOR THAT GO INTO KEEPING A STABLE.
YES. THEY'VE ONE WAY IN WHICH THEY'VE DONE THAT ALREADY WAS THROUGH THE FEE SCHEDULE PROCESS.
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AND SO THAT WENT INTO EFFECT IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, THIS MONTH.YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS TO ASK, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR LEGAL COUNSEL, LYNNE, WHO HELPED ME PUT SOME OF THESE TOGETHER.
SO MY FIRST QUESTION IS, DOES THE PROPOSED CONTRACT BETWEEN THE DISTRICT AND THE CONCESSIONAIRE PROVIDE A MECHANISM FOR THE DISTRICT TO ADDRESS UNPROFESSIONAL OR CONCERNING BEHAVIOR BY THE CONCESSIONAIRE, SUCH AS DISPLAYING FAVORITISM OR BEING RUDE TO THE PUBLIC OR ITS CUSTOMERS? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SO, AS AGM GOORJIAN SAID EARLIER, WE TAKE EVERY GRIEVANCE SERIOUSLY AND MAKE NOTE OF IT IN THE RECORD AND THERE IS PROPOSED LANGUAGE IN THE CONCESSION AGREEMENT IF AWARDED THAT PERMITS THE DISTRICT TO NOTIFY THE CONCESSIONAIRE THAT IT MUST REASSIGN OUT OF THE DISTRICT'S FACILITIES ANY EMPLOYEES THAT ARE ACTING OBJECTIONABLY AND WE USE OUR OWN REASONABLE JUDGMENT OF WHETHER OR NOT THE CONCESSIONAIRE MEETS THE CRITERIA OF BEING COMPETENT, DISORDERLY, DISCOURTEOUS, OR OBJECTIONABLE, AND WE WOULD CONSIDER FAVORITISM TO BE OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOR.
BUT WE CAN ALSO INSERT ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO SAFEGUARD AGAINST, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL COMPLAINTS IN THE FUTURE AND HOW TO ADDRESS THESE SITUATIONS AND SOME OF THESE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT REPETITIVE OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST GOOD TO ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, REVIEW SOME OF THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS.
YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO THE CONCESSION AGREEMENT REQUIRES THAT THE CONCESSIONAIRE COMPLY WITH ALL COMMERCIAL, REASONABLE COMMERCIAL STANDARDS FOR A SAFE AND SANITARY EQUINE ENVIRONMENT.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAUSES ALARM, ANY GRIEVANCE THAT COMES THROUGH RELATED TO THE HORSE'S SAFETY OR HEALTH IN GENERAL OF THE HORSE, THE STABLES, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO HIRE A CONSULTANT AND KIND OF PERFORM AN AUDIT TO ENSURE SAFEGUARD THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF THE HORSES AND DOES THE CONTRACT REQUIRE THE CONCESSIONAIRE TO HAVE A WRITTEN PROCESS FOR ITS WAIT-LIST AND BORDER SELECTION? YES. THEY PROPOSE THEIR WAIT LIST PROCESS TO US, AND WE DOCUMENT IT ON OUR END AND THESE PROCESSES, WE CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH, HAVE TO BE EQUITABLE AND NONDISCRIMINATORY.
I BELIEVE WE'VE COVERED THIS ALREADY, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK IT AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S JUST HELPFUL TO REVIEW, YOU KNOW, WHO SETS THE FEES FOR THE BOARDING AND ARE THE FEES SET BY THE CONCESSIONAIRE OR THE DISTRICT? THE FEES ARE PROPOSED BY THE CONCESSIONAIRE, BUT THEY ARE ULTIMATELY SET BY THE DISTRICT.
THEY ARE PART OF OUR FEE SCHEDULE.
SO EVERY FALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS COME THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE AND THIS COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THEM TO THE FULL BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR RATIFICATION FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, LAST YEAR WE ALSO REVIEWED WE'RE DOING A COMPREHENSIVE FEE STUDY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE FEES AND ANALYZING THAT ACROSS THE DISTRICT FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT CONCESSIONAIRES THAT WE WORK WITH.
THE FEE STUDY SCOPE AT THIS POINT IS LOOKING AT THE FEES THAT WE CHARGE.
SO SWIMMING ENTRY, THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT IT CAN CERTAINLY BE AN ASPECT OF A FUTURE PHASE.
WE WERE JUST KIND OF AT THE STARTING POINT IN A FEE ANALYSIS AS AN AGENCY AND THEN FINAL QUESTION WHAT RIGHTS DOES THE DISTRICT HAVE TO ENFORCE THE CONCESSIONAIRES COMPLIANCE WITH THE AGREEMENT? THE DISTRICT.
WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO HAVE REGULAR MEETINGS, IF NOT MONTHLY.
WE ALSO CHECK IN BUSINESS SERVICES QUARTERLY WITH THE CONCESSIONAIRE.
JUST TO KIND OF MAINTAIN THAT ONGOING RELATIONSHIP AND WE ARE AUTHORIZED TO ENTER THE PREMISES AT ANY TIME TO PERFORM ANY INSPECTIONS AS NEEDED AND WE ALSO HAVE THE RIGHT TO INSPECT ALL BOOKS AND RECORDS OF THE CONCESSIONAIRE AT ANY TIME AND SHOULD THERE BE ANY BREACH IN THE TERMS OF THE CONCESSION AGREEMENT, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT SHOULD THEY FAIL TO CURE WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS WITHIN THE 30 DAYS? EXCELLENT. THANK YOU AND THEN REAL QUICK, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A REQUEST, DIRECTOR CORBETT, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, BUT I'LL WAIT UNTIL AFTER WE.
YEAH. OKAY AND SO THEN DO YOU WANT TO MENTION YOUR REQUEST TO HEAR FROM THE CONCESSIONAIRE?
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YOU HAD A REQUEST THAT YOU WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE CONCESSIONAIRE.IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S WHAT YOU. I'LL WAIT TO HEAR THEM SPEAKING.
OKAY AND THEN IN TERMS OF HEARING FROM THE CONCESSIONAIRE, DO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT LONGER PUBLIC COMMENT OR DO WE KEEP THEM CONSTRAINED TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENT REQUIREMENTS? I BELIEVE WE'D KEEP THEM IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT TIME FRAME.
OKAY, I WILL NOW OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM.
SO IF YOU'RE ATTENDING REMOTELY, IF YOU COULD RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE ALSO ADDITIONALLY HAVE FOR IN-PERSON COMMENTS. IT'S LIKE WE HAVE CATHERINE LU.
I'M GOING TO PROMOTE YOU TO PANELIST CATHERINE IF YOU CAN ACCEPT AND.
RUBY, IF YOU COULD BRING DOWN THE PRESENTATION, MAYBE.
CATHERINE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD, PROCEED.
MY NAME IS CATHERINE LU, AND I AM AN OAKLAND RESIDENT AND A AN EAST BAY EQUESTRIAN FOR THE PAST 17 YEARS.
I HAVE FUNCTIONED AS A STUDENT HORSE SPONSOR AND HORSE OWNER AT ANTHONY CHABOT EQUESTRIAN CENTER.
AS SUCH, THIS IS THE THIRD CONCESSIONAIRE THAT I'VE HAD DIRECT EXPERIENCE WITH IN MY HORSE LIFE.
I'M HERE TO STRONGLY RECOMMEND THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION OF THE SELECTION OF KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT TO BE THE CONCESSIONAIRE AT LAS TRAMPAS AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FACTORS I'D LIKE TO SAY OUT LOUD.
FIRST, IT IS WITHIN OUR VALUES THAT THE EQUESTRIAN SPORT BE ONE THAT IS INCLUSIVE AND EMBRACING OF ALL THE DIVERSE COMMUNITIES THAT MAKE UP THE EAST BAY.
THIS IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT AS A PUBLIC BARN.
I WANT TO SAY UNEQUIVOCALLY THAT WITH ALL GREAT RESPECT TO PAST CONCESSIONAIRES, THE VERY FACE OF THE BARN ITSELF HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY AND WHAT IS TYPICALLY, I WOULD SAY RESPECTFULLY, IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, A HOMOGENOUS SPORT.
I SEE FAMILIES, STUDENTS AND BOARDERS OF ALL COLORS AND BACKGROUNDS.
JUST THE OTHER DAY WE ENCOUNTERED INDIGENOUS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT CAME TO EXPERIENCE THE JOYS OF THE HORSE EXPERIENCE KNOWING THAT TIME IS LIMITED, I WILL ADDRESS THE OTHER COMMENTS QUICKLY.
THIS IS NOW, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, A FAR MORE PROFESSIONALLY RUN BARN.
THE CLEANLINESS AND SAFETY STANDARDS FOR EQUESTRIANS AND EQUINES ALIKE HAS DRAMATICALLY IMPROVED.
IT IS A FRIENDLY AND WELCOMING BARN.
IT IS ONE THAT ADDRESSES THE NEEDS OF ALL BOARDERS, THE PUBLIC AT LARGE, AND THE EQUINE CHARGES, FROM MY STANDPOINT, WITHOUT LIMITATION, FAVORITISM OR ANYTHING LESS THAN THE HIGHEST PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT FOR A PUBLIC BARN AND ONE THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC.
YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES REMAINING OR 20S, I APOLOGIZE.
OKAY. WE'LL PROCEED TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE IN PERSON.
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OPPORTUNITY. HOWEVER, I FACED MANY ISSUES DURING MY TIME AS MANAGER AT THE BARN, WHICH INCLUDED INAPPROPRIATE SEXUAL COMMENTS, LABOR LAW VIOLATIONS, DISCRIMINATION AND DISRESPECT. DURING MY TIME WORKING FOR ANTHONY, THERE WERE MANY INSTANCES WHERE I FELT EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE AROUND HIM.I KNOW THIS WAS NOT. I KNOW I WAS NOT THE ONLY EMPLOYEE THAT DID NOT FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, OR THAT DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING TO ANTHONY, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THIS UNPROFESSIONALISM, BUT ALSO HIS ABUSE OF POWER AS A BOSS AND MANAGER TO THE EQUESTRIAN CENTER.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, MY JOB DUTIES AND PAY RATE DID NOT QUALIFY AS AN EXEMPT EMPLOYEE IN CALIFORNIA.
I WAS PAID AT LEAST $20,000 LESS THAN THE MINIMUM ANNUAL PAY RANGE FOR EXEMPT EMPLOYEES BY TITLING MY POSITION AS MANAGER, THEY REQUIRED ME TO WORK FOUR DAYS A WEEK, 13 HOUR DAYS, AND MANDATED THAT I STAY ON SITE FROM 6 A.M.
TO 10 P.M. THIS EQUATES TO $165.50 PER DAY, NOT EVEN $13 AN HOUR, WHICH IS FAR BELOW THE MINIMUM WAGE STANDARD IN ALAMEDA COUNTY.
I WAS ALSO CHARGED $1,050 PER MONTH FOR RENT FOR A LIVE ON JOB SITE.
THE DISCRIMINATION I ENCOUNTERED FROM THE RICARDOS WAS DISGUSTING.
WHETHER IT BE BECAUSE I AM A WOMAN OR BECAUSE I HAVE DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS THAN THE RICARDOS.
NONETHELESS, I WAS MISTREATED AND TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF IN MANY WAYS.
UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT THE ONLY MANAGER THAT HAS GONE THROUGH THIS PAINFUL EXPERIENCE WITH KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT YET I AM THE ONLY MANAGER THAT IS WILLING TO SPEAK UP AND AGAINST THEIR TREATMENT. I ASKED THIS INFORMATION IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHILE REVIEWING KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT.
THESE ARE SERIOUS WRONGDOINGS BY ANTHONY AND RICARDO.
I ALSO ASK THAT EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK REVIEWS AND NOTES THE PEOPLE IN SUPPORT OF ANTHONY RICARDO IF THEY ARE WORKING WITH HIM OR FOR HIM, BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE A BIG DIFFERENCE. EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK FACILITIES ARE SUPPOSED TO SUPPORT COMMUNITIES AND OFFER OPPORTUNITIES TO THOSE SEEKING THEM, WHICH SEEMS TO NEGATE KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT'S AGENDA. THE FACILITIES AND REVIEW HOLDS SO MUCH BEAUTY AND HISTORY, IT WOULD BE A SHAME TO SEE IT IN THE WRONG HANDS.
I HOPE THE CONCLUSION REACHED IS IN BENEFIT OF NONE OTHER THAN HORSE OWNERS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
ELLEN. MICHAEL. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I ALSO AM AN OAKLAND RESIDENT, HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1987, AND I'VE KEPT HORSES AT EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK DISTRICT FACILITIES FOR, WELL, LET'S SEE MORE THAN MORE THAN 15 YEARS AT BOTH SKYLINE AND NOW AT ANTHONY CHABOT.
I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO THINK HARD BEFORE YOU AWARD THE CONCESSION TO KEYSTONE FOR LAS TRAMPAS, BECAUSE YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL CONSIDER ADDITIONAL, EXCUSE ME, ADDITIONAL SUBMISSIONS THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE IN THE LIGHT OF ALL OF THE ALLEGATIONS THAT YOU'RE HEARING AND READING WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO JUST GO FORWARD WITH KEYSTONE. I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT.
THAT POOR COMMUNICATION IS NOT ONLY A LACK OF AWARENESS THAT THERE SHOULD BE BORDER MEETINGS OR NOTES OF BORDER MEETINGS.
THERE'S ALSO A LACK OF COMMUNICATION TO EMPLOYEES OR.
AND I WONDER WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SAFETY AND THE FACT THAT I'VE HEARD CONDITIONS THAT ARE UNSAFE BE DISCUSSED AS UNSAFE BY BOTH EMPLOYEES AND ANTHONY AND VISHWA THEMSELVES.
I KNOW HOW MUCH THE FACILITY THERE HAS DETERIORATED, AND I SUGGEST IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR THOSE CONDITIONS TO BE REPAIRED WITHOUT A SIGNIFICANT INFLUX OF CAPITAL, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE BOARD IS WILLING TO HELP WITH THAT.
IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE TO COME THERE AND PAY $765 A MONTH.
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SO HOW IS THE BOARD GOING TO HOW IS THE PARK DISTRICT GOING TO MAKE THE MONEY PROPOSED IF THE STALLS CAN'T BE FILLED? AND WHY SHOULD THEY BE FILLED AT A MEDIAN LEVEL? IF THE CONDITIONS AND THE FACILITIES ARE SO FAR BELOW WHAT PEOPLE PAY LESS OR ABOUT THE SAME FOR? SO I THINK THE FINANCIALS ARE SUSPECT AND I'D LIKE YOU TO TAKE A REALLY STRONG LOOK AT THAT BEFORE YOU MOVE FORWARD.THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU, LESLIE WU! HI THERE. MY NAME IS LESLIE WU AND I AM NOT A BOARDER AT ANTHONY CHABOT.
I WAS THERE PREVIOUS TO KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT OFFERING OR MANAGING THE FACILITY.
HOWEVER, I DO GO THERE BECAUSE I HAVE MY DISABLED NIECES AND MY SISTER WHO BOARD THERE AND IT'S A TIME TO SPEND, ENJOY AND BE WITH THE HORSES WITHOUT WORRYING.
I HAVE NOT GONE UP THERE QUITE A BIT, BUT WHENEVER I DO, I SEE PAST BOARDERS THAT I KNEW BEFORE AND THEY WOULD COME UP TO ME AND TELL ME ALL THESE HORRIBLE STORIES.
I DON'T FEEL THAT IF THE SAFETY ISSUES ARE NOT ADDRESSED AND ME GOING UP THERE VERY INFREQUENTLY AND I HEAR THESE STORIES, I WOULD HESITATE TO RECOMMEND KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT FOR LAS TRAMPAS AND ALSO.
PROBABLY HAVE THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT AT ANTHONY CHABOT, WHICH IS KEYSTONE ALSO PROBABLY LOOKED REVIEWED AGAIN.
BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE VERY UNSAFE AND FOR PEOPLE AROUND, EVEN THE PUBLIC.
HELLO AGAIN. SO YES, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE AND I WILL PICK UP WHERE I LEFT OFF.
WITH MY CONCERN ABOUT KEYSTONE PRIVATIZING BOTH ANTHONY CHABOT EQUESTRIAN CENTER AND LAS TRAMPAS.
AND I'M GOING TO READ HER STATEMENT, QUOTE, RACHELLE ZARKA.
FROM THE TIME I WORKED THERE IN THE MID 80S WITH YVONNE ANTHONY CHABOT, EQUESTRIAN CENTER HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PUBLIC FACILITY AND HE MAY NOT WANT PEOPLE THERE, BUT HE CANNOT TURN AWAY THE PUBLIC WHO PAY FOR THE FACILITY.
END QUOTE. I SPOKE WITH ROCHELLE ON THE PHONE YESTERDAY AND SHE HAS.
SHE HAD COME DOWN WITH COVID ON FRIDAY, OTHERWISE SHE INDICATED SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN HERE TO SPEAK.
SHE IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH ANY ONE OF YOU ON THE PHONE.
KEYSTONE USES THE PUBLIC PARKLAND FOR THEIR PERSONAL FINANCIAL GAIN THROUGH VISHWA'S TRAINING PROGRAM OF 900 TO $1200 A MONTH EXTRA, ON TOP OF $800 OF BOARD.
THAT IS QUITE EXPENSIVE AND IT MATCHES FEES AT PRIVATE FACILITIES.
THEY'RE REQUIRING ADVANCED RESERVATION AND FEES FOR TRAILERING IN.
AGAIN, NOT WRITTEN ON ANY DISTRICT PAGE, NOR PHYSICALLY POSTED ON THE PREMISES ANYWHERE.
KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT NOT ONLY OPERATES ASEC AS THEIR PRIVATE TRAINING FACILITY, BUT THROUGH THEIR ACTIONS THEY BEHAVE AS IF IT BELONGS TO THEM, KICKING OUT BORDERS FOR NO REASON.
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FOR OVER TWO YEARS, PARK STAFF HAS BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE POOR PERFORMANCE AND INCREASING HOSTILITY FROM FROM KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT.IF BORDERS COULD BE ASSURED THEIR NAMES WOULD BE KEPT CONFIDENTIAL, THEY WOULD AT LEAST THERE WOULD BE AT LEAST A DOZEN MORE PEOPLE WILLING TO SHARE THEIR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, SINCE IT'S LIKELY NOT POSSIBLE TO INTERFERE.
INTERVIEW BORDERS INDIVIDUALLY IN CONFIDENCE.
THE EMPTY STALLS SHOULD TELL THE STORY.
IN MY PAST TEN YEARS AS AN ASEC BOARDER, THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A WAITLIST FOR BOARDING.
NOW THERE ARE 7 TO 10 EMPTY STALLS, AT LEAST 4 TO 5 OPEN TRAILER SPACES AND OF THE HORSES RESIDING AT [INAUDIBLE], APPROXIMATELY EIGHT OF THEM OR MORE BELONG TO KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT.
IN LIGHT OF THE ABOVE LETTERS, IN LIGHT OF THE ABOVE AND THE LETTER SUBMITTED BY OTHERS, I AM CONFIDENT THAT THE BOARD WILL TAKE THESE MATTERS SERIOUSLY AS THEY IMPACT THE REPUTATION OF THE DISTRICT AND COMMUNITY THE DISTRICT SERVES.
I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO EXAMINE KEYSTONE'S TOXIC MANAGEMENT STYLE, AND WHAT APPEARS TO BE AN OBVIOUS INTENTION TO TRANSFORM A HISTORIC PUBLIC EQUESTRIAN FACILITY INTO A PRIVATE FOR GAIN TRAINING BARN.
IT APPEARS WE HAVE NO MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS, A PUBLIC COMMENT.
YES, YOU CAN MAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
THEN WE'LL ENTER THE INFORMATION INTO OUR RECORD.
I'M SPEAKING IN REGARDS TO MY DEEP CONCERN REGARDING THE PERFORMANCE OF KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT OPERATED BY ANTHONY RICARDO AND [INAUDIBLE] LUCAS, WHO ARE BEING CONSIDERED FOR THE PERMANENT CONCESSIONAIRE POSITION AT LAS TRAMPAS.
MOST EMPLOYEES LEFT ON BAD TERMS WITH ANTHONY [INAUDIBLE].
THE EMPLOYEE TURNOVER RATE IS THE HIGHEST I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED IN A WORKPLACE.
I BELIEVE EVERY RIDER FELL OFF AT LEAST ONCE TO NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.
POPPY ALSO HAD CONSTANT RAGING DIARRHEA, AND BOTH POPPY AND BAMBI'S MOUTH BLED.
WHEN THE VET FINALLY CAME TO HAVE THEIR TEETH DONE.
BLEEDING FROM A TEETH CLEANING IS NOT NORMAL.
[INAUDIBLE] ALSO LED EVERYONE TO BELIEVE BAMBI WAS A FOUR YEAR OLD HORSE WHEN REALLY SHE WAS TWO.
JUSTIN, AN EMPLOYEE OF KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT, WAS SPECIFICALLY TOLD BY [INAUDIBLE] NOT TO TELL ANYONE BECAUSE THEY BOTH KNEW THAT RIDING AND USING A TWO YEAR OLD HORSE FOR LESSON PROGRAM IS UNSAFE AND USE OF MALPRACTICE.
CASPIAN, ANOTHER KEYSTONE HORSE, IS ANOTHER BARN LIABILITY.
ANOTHER INSTANCE, HE BROKE A MAN'S SCAPULA WHO WAS WALKING BY THE HORSE'S STALL.
YET NO SIGN IS UP CAUTIONING PASSER BYERS OF CASPIAN'S ATTACKS.
I ALSO EXPERIENCED CASPIAN HARMING EMPLOYEES WHILE CLEANING HIS STALL.
AN EMPLOYEE HAD WAS KICKED AND HIS ENTIRE LEG WAS PURPLE.
HE WAS LIMPING AND CAME TO WORK BECAUSE HE COULD NOT AFFORD TO TAKE THE TIME OFF.
I THINK I'M PAINTING A PRETTY CLEAR PICTURE AND I COULD CONTINUE.
ANTHONY [INAUDIBLE] IS ALSO A PUBLIC FACILITY.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE TRYING TO PRIVATIZE IT.
I HAVE EVERYTHING ON FILM AND WOULD LOVE TO SUBMIT THAT IF YOU GUYS HAVE THE CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
SHE IS. THEY ARE BOTH USING AND LIMITING OUR FREEDOMS AND ABUSING THEIR POWER FOR PERSONAL GAIN.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT MOST OF THE KEYSTONE SUPPORTERS HAVE RELATIONS WITH ANTHONY AND VIGEOIS OUTSIDE OF MANAGING ANTHONY CHABOT AND LAS TRAMPAS, WHERE ALL COMPLAINTS ARE COMING IN, HAVE BEEN FROM BOARDERS, CLIENTS AND EMPLOYEES HAVING DIRECT CONTACT WITH AND UNDER DIRECT MANAGEMENT BY KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT.
ANTHONY AND VIGEOIS TO PLAY DISPLAYED TOWARDS THE ANTHONY CHABOT COMMUNITY AND ITS MAKING.
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DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT TO GRANT A PERMANENT CONCESSION TO ANTHONY AND VIGEOIS LAS TRAMPAS.THANK YOU. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
OTHERWISE, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AT THIS POINT.
I THINK WE MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
ELLEN, I SEE YOU HAVE A QUESTION HERE.
DO YOU WANT TO I KNOW IT'S AN OPEN MEETING, SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN.
I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION AND COMMENT.
AND ACTUALLY, I THINK I WANT TO ADD TO THAT BEFORE WE GET THE ANSWER IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS.
SO WHAT WE DO TODAY, I BELIEVE, IS PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND THEN THE FULL BOARD OF DIRECTORS AT A BOARD MEETING WOULD VOTE ON THIS FINAL AWARD. CORRECT? CORRECT AND SO IN TERMS OF OUR TIMELINE, IF WE WERE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TODAY WHAT WOULD THEN WHEN WOULD THIS COME TO THE FULL BOARD FOR THE FINAL DECISION? WOULD WE EXPECT THIS TO COME TO THE FULL BOARD FOR THE FINAL DECISION? OH, THE PROJECTED DATE FEBRUARY 20TH AND DIRECTORS, I DID.
WE HAVE ANTHONY RICARDO AND VISHWA LUCAS HERE FROM KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, AND THEY INDICATED THEY'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
HI. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME TODAY.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LOOK INTO US.
I'D LIKE TO SAY CATEGORICALLY THAT THE ACCUSATIONS OF UNPROFESSIONALISM ARE FALSE.
HOWEVER, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A CHALLENGE TO WORK IN THE PUBLIC, AND IT IS A CHALLENGE TO MANAGE A FACILITY AND MAKE CHANGES TO IT, SPECIFICALLY CREATE MORE STRUCTURE TO IT.
IT IS GOING TO CHAFE AND BE A DIFFICULT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT IT AFFECTS.
AND YOU KNOW, MY GOAL IS NOT TO PRIVATIZE ANYTHING.
I'VE GROWN UP AT THIS FACILITY.
EVERYBODY THAT'S EVER BEEN THERE HAS KNOWN ME AND KNOWS MY CHARACTER AND I CAN SAY I HAVE AN EXCELLENT REPUTATION AND I STAND BY THAT AND AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS HAVE OF US AND WE'RE VERY CLEAR AND OPEN ON ALL OF OUR POLICIES AND COMMUNICATE REALLY WELL WITH PEOPLE.
UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY IS HAPPY TO COMMUNICATE BACK.
SOME PEOPLE FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE AND IN THOSE SITUATIONS CONFUSION AND MISINFORMATION CAN CAN HAPPEN.
BUT STILL OUR, OUR GOAL AND OUR FOCUS IS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE EQUESTRIAN SERVICES, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH VOLUNTEERING, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH PEOPLE TAKING RIDING LESSONS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T OWN A HORSE.
IT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES WHEN YOU HAVE PRIMARILY A BOARDING SITUATION, ALSO TO OFFER TO BOARDERS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TRAINING AND TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE AND HAVE SAFER RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR OWN HORSES IS SOMETHING IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR SAFETY, AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO INTERACT WITH THE HORSES.
SO WE TRY TO PROVIDE AN ARRAY FOR EVERYBODY.
BUT WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU HEARING US AND TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR MY COMMENT AS WELL.
THANK YOU BOARD OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MEMBERS, DIRECTOR CORBETT ROSARIO AND CHAIRPERSON SAN JUAN.
JUST TO ADDRESS ANY SUGGESTION OF UNPROFESSIONALISM FROM KEYSTONE MANAGEMENT IS SIMPLY FALSE.
HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE EXTREME INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC AS IT BENEFITS THEM AND BENEFITS THE PARK.
SO THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, KEYSTONE'S HAD INTERACTIONS WITH 467 APPLICANTS IN JUST TWO YEARS FOR STUDENT TEACHER RELATIONSHIPS, AS WELL AS IN THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS WITH OVER 80 VOLUNTEERS, PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GET EXPOSURE TO THE PARK DISTRICT AND TO HORSES.
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SO WHILE WE'LL REFER TO ALL OTHER COMMENTS TO GENERAL, OUR GENERAL COUNSEL AND OTHER TOPICS TODAY, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S BEST FOR LAS TRAMPAS.SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
OKAY. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK TO MY COLLEAGUES IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
GO FOR IT. CAN WE HEAR FROM PARK STAFF FIRST? ANY COMMENTS FROM PARK STAFF? NO. OKAY.
HERE'S IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS FROM PARK STAFF.
THE PARK DISTRICT HAS PUT IN A LOT OF MONEY OVER THE YEARS INTO THAT FACILITY AND I WAS RELUCTANT TO EVEN APPROVE A CONTRACT FOR THIS STABLE BECAUSE IT'S FAILED MISERABLY FOREVER.
AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IT'S GOING TO BE MY THOUGHTS OR MY ADVOCACY THAT AND I'M A STRONG ADVOCATE FOR THE EQUESTRIAN COMMUNITY AND THE IF THIS STABLE DOESN'T, CAN'T MAKE IT UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT.
I'M GOING TO BE AN ADVOCATE FOR, AND I HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR HAVING THAT STABLE.
NOT FUNCTION AS STABLE IN THE PARK DISTRICT.
SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT KEYSTONE IS WILLING TO TAKE THAT ON AND I AND THERE'S AND I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD THE PEOPLE COMING FORWARD.
YOU HAVE SOME SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS.
A LOT OF THOSE ALLEGATIONS ARE BECAUSE OF THEIR NATURE.
THEY'RE UNDER INVESTIGATION AND SO BUT AT THIS TIME, FOR ME, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY WE CAN'T LET KEYSTONE TAKE THIS ON AND SEE IF THEY CAN'T TURN THIS TABLE AROUND.
BECAUSE IF IT DOES, IF THEY CAN'T, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN AND LIKE I SAID THIS TABLE HAS A LONG HISTORY OF FAILURE AND IF WE CAN'T MAKE IT THIS TIME.
I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR REPURPOSING THE USE OF THAT FACILITY.
SO I WOULD SUPPORT RECOMMENDING THIS TO THE FULL BOARD.
THANK YOU. D ELLEN, DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE? I THINK THAT IF WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME, WE SHOULD REVIEW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP TODAY AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER WAYS TO.
YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THE CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE WHO USE THE FACILITY.
SO IT'S AN INTERESTING PLACE FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION.
WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TWO DIFFERENT VIEWS, TWO DIFFERENT SIDES.
WE'VE HEARD FROM SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE ENCOUNTERED SOME SPECIFIC ISSUES TOO, THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT AND I JUST THINK WE MIGHT NEED JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO HEAR WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE WANT TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE THIS FACILITY.
I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT TYPE OF FACILITY THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE PARK DISTRICT.
SO PERHAPS I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS AN ANTI SITUATION, BUT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO REVIEW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP AND HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES ABOUT WHAT THOSE COMMENTS MEAN, AND ARE THERE WAYS TO ADDRESS THEM.
SO I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS AND MAYBE ALSO A FEW ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
SO MY FIRST ONE IS THIS WILL BE COMING TO THE FULL BOARD AS WE RECEIVED AN ANSWER EARLIER AT THE FEBRUARY WHAT WAS IT, 20TH, 28TH MEETING.
FEBRUARY 27TH MEETING, I THINK, ACTUALLY.
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IS THAT IT? OR THE FEBRUARY 20TH? SORRY. I'M TRYING TO LOOK ON MY CALENDAR HERE.YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED, SOME OF THE SERIOUS ISSUES THAT WERE RAISED, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, EVEN SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT DEE MADE ABOUT YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG TIME, YOU KNOW, THE STABLE BEING IN MARGINAL CONDITION, UNSURE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, BUT THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER HAVING A CONCESSIONAIRE WILLING TO TURN AROUND LAS TRAMPAS.
I ALSO WOULD BE CURIOUS TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE OTHER TWO PROPOSALS WE RECEIVED AND SO BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT BE INCORPORATED IN THE PRESENTATION AND SOME POINTS IN REGARDS TO AND WE DID GO OVER THE CRITERIA DURING TODAY'S PRESENTATION.
BUT MAYBE WHY, FOR EXAMPLE ONE OF THE POINTS THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THE FISCALLY SOUND, FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE POINT. SO HOW DID THE OTHER TWO PROPOSALS MAYBE NOT MEET THAT CRITERIA? ANOTHER CRITERIA WAS INCREASING PUBLIC ACCESS.
YOU KNOW, HOW DID THE OTHER TWO CONCESSIONAIRES NOT SCORE AS HIGH ON THIS FRONT? I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN TERMS OF MAKING DECISION.
I'M GOING TO SHARE THAT AS OF TODAY WITH THE INFORMATION PRESENTED IN FRONT OF ME.
I'M ACTUALLY NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND THIS.
I JUST LIKE TO GET AN ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION.
I DON'T THINK I MEAN, SOMEONE CAN INSTRUCT ME OTHERWISE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY.
I BELIEVE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF TIME TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT THIS MEETING, AND HAVE IT COME BACK TO THIS BOARD MEETING TO MAKE A DECISION, NOT JUST TOSS IT OVER TO THE BOARD, BUT TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE? YES. BEFORE IT GOES TO THE FULL BOARD.
IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, WHEN IS OUR NEXT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE SCHEDULED? IT'S PROBABLY IN ONE MONTH.
OKAY. I THINK I WOULD BE WILLING TO REOPEN PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT FIRST I JUST WANT TO GET A TIMELINE.
SO IF WE WERE TO THINK ABOUT PURSUING THIS RECOMMENDATION FROM DOCTOR CORBETT, WE WOULD BRING THIS BACK TO THE NEXT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS AT THE END OF FEBRUARY AND THEN IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE AT LEAST ANOTHER MONTH BEFORE IT WOULD COME TO THE FULL BOARD FOR THE ACTUAL DECISION, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY THEN BE END OF MARCH.
WHAT IS OUR I GUESS THE QUESTION THEN IS WHAT DOES THIS DO IN TERMS OF IMPACTING CURRENT OPERATIONS? BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE AN INTERIM AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW WITH KEYSTONE AT LAS TRAMPAS.
YEAH. SO BASED ON OUR PROJECTIONS FEBRUARY 21ST IS THE NEXT BOCC MEETING, AND WE GENERALLY WOULD BRING THE ITEM TO MEETINGS AFTER.
SO IT PUTS US OUT, I THINK, INTO APRIL, LATE APRIL IN TERMS OF THE CURRENT OPERATION AT LAS TRAMPAS, WE, PER THE INTERIM AGREEMENT, WE ARE PAYING THE OPERATOR OUT OF THE CMF, WHICH IS A FINITE SUM OF MONEY TO CONTINUE THEIR OPERATION, AND THAT'S $3,000 A MONTH. SO UNTIL THEY GET INTO A PERMANENT LONG TERM AGREEMENT, WE ARE IN THAT INTERIM AGREEMENT IN A MONTH TO MONTH STATUS, AND WE MUST PAY THEM FOR THE OPERATION OF THAT CONCESSION.
THANK YOU AND JUST WITH REGARD TO SORT OF PROCESS, YOU KNOW, IF A, IF A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON AN RFP REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL SELECTION IS NOT ADVANCED, YOU KNOW, THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE RFP, THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL SELECTION TO WE COULD EITHER REVISIT THAT PROCESS WITH A NEW REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AND ALSO AND THEN ALSO REVIEW THE PROPOSALS THAT WE HAVE AS WELL.
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SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE COMMITTEE THAT'S ALSO BEEN A PAST PRACTICE.SO YOU'RE SAYING IF WE, AS THE BOARD OPERATIONS COMMITTEE, DO NOT RECOMMEND ADVANCEMENT AT THIS POINT TODAY, THEN THE RFP COULD POTENTIALLY BE REOPENED OR RE REVIEWED, AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE BEFORE GOING TO THE FULL BOARD.
AT THE TIME. I LOOK AT MY COLLEAGUES.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS OR WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
I'LL GIVE YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THE APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE MOVE THAT THERE.
OKAY, I JUST HAVE IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOU.
I'M NOT GOING TO SECOND THAT EITHER.
SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT MOTION DOES NOT CARRY.
SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? WELL. WE'RE JUST ASKING THAT THIS NOT BE APPROVED AND BE PUSHED OVER TO THE NEXT MEETING OR, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH TIME DO WE NEED FOR THE NEXT DISCUSSION? BECAUSE WE'LL WANT SOME MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE.
HOW MUCH TIME WOULD WE NEED BEFORE WE BROUGHT THIS BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE? SO WE HAVE THE INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN ASKING ABOUT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A THOUGHT ON THAT? WELL, I THINK WE HAVE I'M THINKING ABOUT THE SCHEDULE, ABOUT THE SOONEST WE COULD BRING IT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE.
I'M NOT I THINK IS THERE STILL TIME TO BRING IT BACK FOR, I THINK THE FEBRUARY 20TH, WE WOULD REVISE THIS ITEM, I BELIEVE, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMITTEE AND RESUBMIT FOR FEBRUARY 20TH AND I THINK WE CAN SQUEAK BY.
SO I THINK WE COULD. YEAH, EXACTLY WHAT RUBY SAID.
I JUST WASN'T SURE WITH OUR NEW SCHEDULE.
SO AT THE I THINK AT THE EARLIEST WE COULD TRY TO ADDRESS AND THEN BRING IT BACK ON THE 20TH.
YEAH. JUST SOME I MEAN, SOME OF THE MORE SERIOUS COMPLAINTS WITH THE EEOC.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE THOSE COULD TAKE.
ANYWHERE FROM SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR.
I THINK IF YOU WAIT FOR THAT, IF YOU'RE WAITING FOR THAT PARTICULAR DECISION WE'LL BE WITHOUT A CONCESSIONAIRE FOR SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR AND BEING THAT IF, I MEAN, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THE AGREEMENT, THE RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THE FINDINGS ARE SUSTAINED REGARDING THE HARASSMENT.
THEN I WOULD JUST SAY WE HAVE WE RECEIVED INFORMATION TONIGHT OR THIS AFTERNOON AND I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET MORE OF THAT INFORMATION.
I THINK THERE'S INFORMATION OUT THERE.
WE JUST HAVE TO DO THE TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESEARCH SOME OF IT, BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE DISTRICT HAS HEARD ABOUT SOME OF THESE CONCERNS PEOPLE HAVE. RIGHT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED THAT MUCH TIME TO REVIEW IT.
DO WE OR DO WE NOT? WELL, I SO AGAIN, LISA GOORJIAN, ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER, I OPENED THIS ITEM BY IDENTIFYING THAT THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED TO DATE HAVE NOT BEEN SUBSTANTIATED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN OUR PURVIEW WITH OUR ARE GOING TO THE STATE.
SO WE DO NOT CONTROL THE OUTCOMES OF THOSE.
THOSE ARE BEING INVESTIGATED SEPARATELY AND AS DIRECTOR ROSARIO SAID, WE YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEYOND OUR CONTROL BUT I DID TRY TO PROVIDE AS PART OF THE INTRODUCTION THAT WE DO TAKE THESE SERIOUS THESE COMPLAINTS SERIOUSLY AND TO WITHIN OUR CONTROL.
WE HAVE LOOKED INTO THEM AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SUBSTANTIATED.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADDRESS THEM MORE FORMALLY IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT MORE INFORMATION THAT WE'LL FIND.
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YEAH. I'M JUST I'M ASKING THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME BECAUSE AS BOARD MEMBERS, WE MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE SAME AMOUNT OF INFORMATION YOU'VE ALREADY RECEIVED.WE'RE DISCUSSING THAT TONIGHT OR THIS AFTERNOON.
A LITTLE MORE TIME TO SEE THE INFORMATION THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE.
WE RECEIVED SOME TONIGHT, I MEAN, TODAY FOR, YOU KNOW, IN THE AGENDA.
SO WE'LL BE READY TO MAKE DECISIONS WHEN THE TIME COMES AND FOR ME, I DON'T I MEAN, DOES IT REALLY TAKE SIX MONTHS? I DON'T IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT WAY.
THOSE AREN'T I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULD TAKE SIX MONTHS.
RIGHT AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ABOUT WHAT THEY BRING BACK TO US.
AT SOME POINT, WE'LL HEAR FROM THE STATE.
THANK YOU. I THINK I'M GOING TO ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION THAT MAYBE SPLITS THIS INTO THE MIDDLE, BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR OTHER COLLEAGUES ON THE ENTIRE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I'M NOT SURE THIS NEEDS TO COME BACK HERE TO THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE, AND I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THAT THIS ITEM MOVES TO THE FULL BOARD OF DIRECTORS MOST LIKELY AT OUR NEXT BOARD MEETING.
BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S UP TO STAFF TO YOU KNOW, SEE WHAT THE PREPARATION IS.
I THINK UNDERSTANDING I WOULD ALSO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE OTHER TWO PROPOSALS THAT WERE RECEIVED AND HOW THAT COMPARES, YOU KNOW, BASED ON OUR CRITERIA, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, INCREASING PUBLIC ACCESS, FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, ALSO BEING ABLE TO WORK WITHIN THE PUBLIC STRUCTURE AS THREE REALLY IMPORTANT CRITERIA. HOWEVER, AT THE SAME TIME, WITH THIS MOTION, I'M NOT IN A POSITION YET.
I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
SO THE MOTION IS TO PURELY RECOMMEND THAT THIS GOES TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AS A NEXT STEP.
SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
YOU'RE NOT ASKING THAT WE APPROVE IT AS IT'S LISTED TONIGHT, BUT WE ASK FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
BUT THE NEXT SPOT THAT IT GOES TO IS THE BOARD.
BUT IT'S NOT. WE'RE NOT APPROVING IT TONIGHT.
WE'RE ASKING FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
ACTUALLY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO APPROVE IT.
WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND THAT MIGHT HELP OUR COLLEAGUES IN MAKING A DECISION.
TYPICALLY, WHEN THIS TYPE OF ITEM COMES BEFORE THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE, I FIND IT THAT IT ENDS UP IN OUR CONSENT CALENDAR, AND I'VE ALREADY RECOMMENDED FOR IT TO NOT BE IN THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND I THINK WITH THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, IT PROBABLY WOULD WOULD NOT END UP IN THE CONSENT CALENDAR ANYWAYS.
SO I'M ALWAYS CONCERNED IN AN ISSUE SUCH AS THIS WHERE WE DO HAVE YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON IT, THAT WE DO WHAT WE SHOULD DO TO GET THE INFORMATION TOGETHER TO HELP MAKE OUR DECISIONS THOROUGHLY.
THE FACT THAT WE WOULD DO IT AT THE FULL BOARD, AS OPPOSED TO STOPPING AGAIN AND DOING IT HERE, I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE MATERIAL IN FRONT OF US, BUT WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY DECISION TODAY ON APPROVING THE ITEM, BUT WE WOULD JUST MOVE IT TO THE BOARD.
SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT.
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT MORE INFORMATION BEFORE IT COMES TO US AT THE BOARD.
RIGHT. OKAY, I THAT'S FINE WITH ME.
ALL RIGHT THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A ROLL CALL.
VOTE. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE STATE WHAT THIS MOTION IS? I WILL STATE IT.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME. WE ARE ALSO STATING THAT WE WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION TO TO MAKE THIS FINAL DECISION AND WE DO NOT HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO OR WE ARE NOT APPROVING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TO APPROVE THIS CONCESSIONAIRE, BECAUSE WE WANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED AT THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING.
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MORE INFORMATION THAT WOULD LIKE TO SO A DECISION CAN BE MADE AT THAT POINT AT SOME POINT.SO SOMEONE SHOULD WE JUST PUT IT.
PASS. I MEAN, CAN WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE OF WHAT THAT MOTION WILL BE AGAIN, PLEASE? YEAH. I'M LOOKING TO THE CLERK OF THE BOARD, I THINK, WHO RECORDS THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE.
DO YOU WANT TO SAY IT AGAIN OR.
YES, I CAN SAY IT AGAIN. MOVING IT OVER FOR.
YEAH. SO I THINK IT'S A NEUTRAL, YOU'RE PRETTY NEUTRAL.
IT'S A NEUTRAL, BUT YOU'RE NOT A FORWARDING A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE.
YOU'RE FORWARDING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FULL BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.
ALL RIGHT. DO YOU WANT TO. I GUESS WE CAN ALL ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OKAY. BOARD UNANIMOUS TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
WE NO LONGER HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WE NO LONGER HAVE PUBLIC. OKAY.
SO THEN LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER OR ITEM LETTER B FOR ACTION ITEMS. THE PACIFIC STATES ENVIRONMENTAL CONTRACTERS INCORPORATED.
I'M RUBY TUMBER AGAIN, ACTING BUSINESS SERVICES MANAGER.
I'M ALSO HERE JOINED BY UNIT MANAGER OF THE LAKES UNIT, DAVID VANCE, TO PRESENT ON OUR RECOMMENDATION TO EXECUTE A CARETAKER AGREEMENT WITH PACIFIC STATE'S ENVIRONMENTAL CONTRACTORS INCORPORATED AT DUMBARTON QUARRY CAMPGROUND ON THE BAY.
FOR THIS PRESENTATION, I'LL PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE LOCATION FOR THIS AGREEMENT, THE HISTORY AND BACKGROUND, THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CARETAKER AS WELL AS OUR RECOMMENDATION.
DUMBARTON QUARRY CAMPGROUND ON THE BAY IS LOCATED IN FREMONT, CALIFORNIA, RIGHT BEFORE YOU HIT THE DUMBARTON BRIDGE JUST SOUTH OF COYOTE HILLS. IT IS MANAGED BY THE SAME PARK SUPERVISOR AS COYOTE HILLS REGIONAL PARK.
IT WAS RECENTLY DEVELOPED INTO A CAMPGROUND, PROVIDING THE PUBLIC OVER 60 RV SITES, PICNIC AREAS AND AMPHITHEATER, SHOWER AND RESTROOMS, AND A CAMP STORE.
AS YOU MAY KNOW, THIS WAS AN ACTIVE QUARRY FROM THE 1950S THROUGH 2007.
ROCK AND GRAVEL EXCAVATED FROM THIS QUARRY HELPED CONSTRUCT VARIOUS INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN OUR REGION, INCLUDING SAN FRANCISCO AND OAKLAND, INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS, LOCAL HIGHWAYS, AND OTHER PROJECTS IN ITS LIFESPAN.
THE CAMPGROUND CONSTRUCTION IS A WHOLE BODY OF WORK THAT IS MANAGED BY OUR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DEPARTMENT, AND I DO HAVE ARCHITECT JIM DEVLIN HERE FOR ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT.
PER THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT, WE OPENED THE PHASE ONE OF THE CAMPGROUND IN 2021, AND THAT WAS THE PART OF THE PARK THAT I SHOWED YOU IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.
THE CARETAKER AT THE SITE IS AN AGENT OF PACIFIC STATES.
WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED WITH HIM IN AN INFORMAL SHORT TERM AGREEMENT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.
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HE SERVES AS HE SERVES A ROLE OF CONSTRUCTION MANAGER ON BEHALF OF PACIFIC STATES WHO HAVE BUILT THE CAMPGROUND.AS AN ASIDE, THE RECLAMATION WORK AREA IS NOT YET UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE DISTRICT.
IT'S UNDER DQA PACIFIC STATES CONTINUES PROVIDING CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT AS THE PROJECT CONTINUES, AND THE CARETAKER IS THERE TO ENSURE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE SITE, WHICH, AS I SAID, IS NOT IN POSSESSION OF THE DISTRICT YET, MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT, AND IS THERE TO REPORT ANY AFTER HOURS ACTIVITY THAT MAY OCCUR AT THE PARK.
AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, HE'S CURRENTLY IN AN INTERIM AGREEMENT AND HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN ON-SITE LIVING UNIT AND THE PARK DISTRICT PROVIDES WATER AND ELECTRICITY TO HIS LIVING UNIT.
DURING THE 2023, WHEN OUR STORMS, THE ON SITE CARETAKER WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE RAPID RESPONSE DURING A WATER OVERFLOWS IN THE AREA AND WE HAVE CONTINUE TO HAVE A POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CARETAKER THERE.
WITH THAT SAID, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD OPERATIONS COMMITTEE AUTHORIZE AND RECOMMEND TO THE FULL BOARD OF DIRECTORS A CARETAKER AGREEMENT WITH PACIFIC STATES ENVIRONMENTAL CONTRACTORS INCORPORATED FOR A TWO YEAR TERM COMMENCING APRIL 1ST OF THIS YEAR AT DUMBARTON QUARRY CAMPGROUND ON THE BAY, WITH A POSSIBILITY OF ONE THREE YEAR EXTENSION UPON MUTUAL AGREEMENT OF OUR BOTH PARTIES AT NO COST.
AND I BELIEVE I'M ALSO JOINED BY JIM DEVLIN OF OUR OUR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION DEPARTMENT ONLINE AS WELL, IF HE HAS ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND THIS IS HIS LIVING UNIT ON SITE AND I ALSO HAVE SORRY.
THANK YOU. LISA. UNIT MANAGER DAVID VANCE HERE AS WELL, TO PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INSIGHT.
THANK YOU, DAVE. ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR, OR IS THIS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION? THIS IS THE END, OKAY.
IT'S A SHORT ONE AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND IF THERE'S BOARD MEMBER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS GO AHEAD.
YES. WELL, THEY'RE A SUBSIDIARY OF DCCA.
OKAY AND SO WHEN THIS CONTRACT IS OVER, ARE WE GOING? IS THAT THE INTENT TO HAVE A CARETAKER ON SITE OR A CAMPGROUND HOST? AFTER THIS IS A SEPARATE AGREEMENT, THEN THE CAMPGROUND HOST.
THIS IS PURELY RELATED TO THE ONGOING CONSTRUCTION.
PHASE TWO OF THE CAMPGROUND PROJECT WILL COMMENCE, I BELIEVE, IN 2025.
SO HIS OVERSIGHT IS RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION WORK.
THERE IS A SEPARATE AGREEMENT ON SITE FOR THE CAMP THE CONCESSION AGREEMENT WITH THE CAMP STORE, WHICH ALSO HAS AN OVERNIGHT PRESENCE, AND THAT'S RELATED MORE TOWARDS THE PUBLIC AND SERVING THE PUBLIC AND RESPONDING TO ANY CONCERNS THAT ARISE ON THE CAMPGROUND AFTER HOURS WHEN STAFF ARE NOT THERE.
OKAY, GREAT AND THEN HOW DO THEY COMMUNICATE WITH DISPATCHERS? IS IT PHONE OR RADIO? DAVE DOES. HOW DO THEY COMMUNICATE IF THERE'S A PROBLEM AND HOW DO THEY COMMUNICATE WITH DISPATCH? DO THEY HAVE A RADIO OR DO THEY USE TELEPHONE? CELL PHONE. HE'S MAKING HIS WAY HERE.
[INAUDIBLE]. DAVE VANCE FROM THE LAKES UNIT MANAGER.
TO THE RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION, TYPICALLY HE HAS CONTACT WITH DISPATCH.
WE DO HAVE A REGULAR CHECK IN WITH THIS PERSON THAT'S ON SITE WITH PARK STAFF.
WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, CHECK IN WITH HIM AS WELL AS HIM CHECKING IN WITH MY STAFF.
THAT'S AT THE KIOSK AS WELL AS HE'S BEEN AN ASSET FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT'S ONGOING, BUT ALSO GENERAL KNOWLEDGE TO THE CAMPGROUND, TO WHERE MY STAFF CAN REACH OUT TO HIM AND GET INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT WAS BUILT, WHERE THINGS MAY
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BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH, LIKE, A WATER LINE BREAK OR ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE NEEDS.THANK YOU. EXCELLENT AND THEN REAL QUICK, I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH OUR GUESTS WHO ARE HERE.
I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT WORK THAT WE DO HERE, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT IT MAYBE ISN'T AS RELATED TO YOUR AREA OF INTEREST, SO PLEASE FEEL FREE TO GO IF YOU'D LIKE. BUT YOU'RE ALSO WELCOME TO STAY AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT.
YES AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, EVERYONE.
I THINK THIS IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
YOU KNOW, I WAS REALLY EXCITED BACK IN, BACK DURING THE SUMMER, I GOT TO RECORD ON THE FREMONT PODCAST, AND THROUGH THAT I WAS ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER SOME REALLY EXCITING POINTS ABOUT THIS SITE, WHICH I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO SHARE TODAY, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE IN BETWEEN PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO OF THE PROJECT. YOU KNOW, IT HAD OPENED, AS YOU MENTIONED, IN AUGUST OF 2021, AND SOME OF THE DATA POINTS THAT I HAVE FROM THE FREMONT PODCAST THAT I PRESENTED WAS THAT WE WERE FULLY RESERVED FOR THE FIRST TIME MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND OF 2022, WHICH IS REALLY EXCITING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE WERE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, THE PANDEMIC ECONOMY.
BUT CERTAINLY I THINK ALSO THROUGH THAT PANDEMIC ECONOMY, WE SAW AN INCREASE IN REGARDS TO OUR VIEWS AND VAN LIFE AND PEOPLE WANTING TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF EXPERIENCE.
SO IN A WAY, WE MET THE MOMENT IN REGARDS TO THE OPENING OF DUMBARTON QUARRY AND BEING ABLE TO BE THIS TYPE OF FACILITY AND IT REALLY IS ONE OF THE FIRST URBAN CAMPGROUND DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AND WHEN THE NEWEST LARGE CAMPGROUNDS OPENED IN CALIFORNIA AND THREE DECADES AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A HUGE ACHIEVEMENT OF THE PARK DISTRICT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY PROUD OF TO BE ABLE TO CELEBRATE AND REPRESENT AND I THINK THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AND I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS ON THE PARK ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE REVIEWED THIS PROJECT, AND IT REALLY IS AN INNOVATIVE PROJECT.
IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, TAKING A FORMER QUARRY AND BEING ABLE TO TURN IT INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, RECREATION AND CAMPING FACILITY AND SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PHASE TWO PORTION OF THE PROJECT AND AS I MENTIONED, I DO THINK THAT THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD REQUEST AND ONE THAT I'M PROUD TO SUPPORT AND, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING I'LL SHARE IS I'VE BEEN PERSONALLY INTERESTED SINCE DECEMBER IN REGARDS TO BETTER UNDERSTANDING THE NEARBY DON EDWARDS FISH AND WILDLIFE RESERVE AND I THINK IT'S REALLY EXCITING THAT OUR DUMBARTON QUARRY HAS A DIRECT TRAIL TO THAT WILDLIFE REFUGE AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW HERE AT EAST BAY REGIONAL PARKS, WE CAN BE THIS CONNECTING SITE TO STATE PARKS AND IN THIS CASE, THIS IS ACTUALLY A FEDERAL FISH AND WILDLIFE LOCATION.
AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE THIS ABILITY AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT PHASE TWO BECAUSE IT WILL JUST HELP OPEN UP EVEN MORE YOU KNOW, CAMPING AND ACTIVITY SITES WITH THE CABIN, WITH THE CONVENIENCE CABINS AND ALSO THE GROUP CAMPS.
I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THIS IS SO ATTRACTIVE JUST EVEN TO LOCAL FAMILIES AND LOCAL BOY SCOUTS AND GIRL SCOUT TROOPS THAT WANT TO BE ABLE TO GATHER AND HAVE THIS TYPE OF CAMPING EXPERIENCE.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THAT CORRECT FOR THIS ITEM? OKAY AND THEN DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS, DIRECTOR CORBETT.
BUT I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS.
SOME OF US WERE AROUND WAY BACK WHEN THAT WAS JUST LAND AND THE REUSE OF LAND IN OTHER TYPES OF USES, AND IT'S JUST SUCH A POSITIVE SITUATION AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S TIME TO HAVE ANOTHER PARTY DOWN THERE TO CELEBRATE WHAT A GREAT PLACE IT IS. BUT ANYWAY, IT'S JUST VERY NICE TO SEE IT MOVING FORWARD AND OBVIOUSLY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL PERSON TO WATCH WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE TO MAKE SURE THE WORK GETS DONE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT THOUGHT AND THAT IDEA AND IT'S SO NICE TO CONTINUE TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD.
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BUT I THINK IT'S TIME TO HAVE ANOTHER ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF THIS MOVING FORWARD.THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, LET US KNOW.
OKAY AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL TO HAVE A SECOND.
SECOND. ALL RIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, THAT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ALL RIGHT AND THEN I BELIEVE WE HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS. DO WE WANT TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK, HOWEVER OR DO YOU WANT TO WORK THROUGH THE MEETING? ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A QUICK LET'S MAKE IT A SEVEN MINUTE BREAK.
JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. WE'RE LIVE.
[Informational Items]
IT IS OUR REVIEW OF THE 2024 OPERATIONS COMMITTEE WORK PLAN.COMMITTEE. RUBY TUMBER, ACTING BUSINESS SERVICES MANAGER.
THIS IS AN INFORMATIONAL UPDATE ON OUR 2024 WORK PLAN.
WE DEVELOPED THIS WORK PLAN BACK IN 2023, AND IT'S JUST AS A REMINDER OF THE PROCESS.
THE OUTGOING COMMITTEE IN 2023 HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE WORK PLAN AND ADD ANY SUGGESTIONS OR INPUT WHICH ARE THEN APPROVED BY THIS COMMITTEE. FOR CONSOLIDATION INTO THIS YEAR, THE BOARD OPERATING GUIDELINES DICTATE THAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THIS COMMITTEE ARE REVIEWING AND RECOMMENDING OPERATIONAL POLICIES TO THE FULL BOARD, ENSURING OPERATING OBJECTIVES ARE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH PERIODIC REPORTS AND EVALUATING PROGRAMS TO ENSURE OPERATION IS IN ACCORDANCE TO BOARD ESTABLISHED POLICY, AS WELL AS REVIEWING CONCESSIONAIRE AND SPECIAL USE AGREEMENTS AS WE JUST DID, AS WELL AS REVIEWING ANNUAL FEES AND CHARGES.
SO THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT OF A REVIEW, AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND DIVE IN.
SO THE FIRST ITEM UNDER POLICY REVIEWS AND RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BRING FORTH THIS YEAR IS THE 2025 CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE AND AS WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER IN 2023, WE CONDUCTED OUR FEE STUDY.
THEY INCLUDE REVIEW OF THE AGRICULTURAL LEASE AT COYOTE HILLS REGIONAL PARK.
THIS IS CURRENTLY POSTED AS AN RFP, AND WE HOPE TO SOLICIT SOME GOOD INPUT FROM FARMERS THAT WILL BE CLOSING SOON. WE ARE REENGAGING WITH OUR TALKS WITH THE REDWOOD VALLEY RAILWAY AND INTEND TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT THIS YEAR BROUGHT FORWARD THE CARETAKER AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS JUST RECOMMENDED BY YOU AT DUMBARTON QUARRY CAMPGROUND ON THE BAY IS ANOTHER ITEM, AS WELL AS THE LAS TRAMPAS STABLES ITEM WE JUST REVIEWED.
NEXT MONTH, WE WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD THE COMMUNICATIONS SITE AGREEMENT WITH CROWN CASTLE AT MISSION PEAK REGIONAL PARK PRESERVE. IT'S A PRESERVE, AND WE CURRENTLY ARE POSTING OUR RFP FOR THE ARDENWOOD WEDDING AND FOOD CONCESSION, AND HOPE TO GET SOME RESPONSES TO THAT SOON.
WE ALSO HAVE A FEW ADDITIONAL AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY OF PLEASANTON, A ROAD MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT A SPECIAL USE AGREEMENT WITH TRI-CITIES HORSEMEN, AS WELL AS OUR SPECIAL USE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY OF FREMONT FOR THE PATTERSON HOUSE.
WE MAY ALSO ADD ADDITIONAL ITEMS AS THINGS COME UP.
SO THIS ISN'T, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY IT THERE COULD BE MORE PER YOUR SUGGESTION, WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE 2023 WINTER STORMS FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE THAT WILL BE PRESENTED BY CHIEF KENNEDY.
WE WILL GET A RESERVATIONS PROGRAM UPDATE FROM OUR RESERVATION SUPERVISOR, AS WELL AS OUR ANNUAL UPDATE ON THE OUTREACH WORK DONE AT TIDEWATER BY THE OAKLAND STROKES.
WE WILL GET AN UPDATE FROM CHIEF CASTILE ON THE PARK OPERATIONS REORGANIZATION, AND WE WILL RECEIVE UPDATES FROM BOTH THE SOUTHEAST REGION AND NORTHWEST REGION OF INR.
THAT WAS A COMMENT FROM LAST MONTH.
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WE WILL ALSO RECEIVE UPDATES FROM THE THREE PARK OPERATIONS UNITS THAT DIDN'T PRESENT IN 2023, THOSE BEING THE RECREATION AREAS UNIT, THE LAKES UNIT, AND THE PARK LANDS UNIT.WE ALSO GOT A RECOMMENDATION TO REPORT OUT ON THE SMALL TRAILS CREW.
SO MAST WILL ALSO BE DOING AN UPDATE ON THAT.
WE JUST STARTED OUR NUISANCE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES THIS YEAR AND WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON HOW THOSE ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED A YEAR OUT TOWARDS THE END OF THIS YEAR.
PUBLIC SAFETY WILL ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS. AS A REMINDER, THIS COMMITTEE IS ALSO PUBLIC SAFETY'S COMMITTEE TO BRING FORTH ANY ITEMS THAT THEY HAVE SO THEY WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE.
DATE ON AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS.
THERE WAS A LOT OF INPUT FROM THIS COMMITTEE AT THE END OF LAST YEAR TO REPORT OUT ON VARIOUS FUELS AND FIRE AND VEGETATION MANAGEMENT PROGRAMS THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT.
SO THERE'LL BE A COMPREHENSIVE DISTRICT WIDE FUELS MANAGEMENT UPDATE COMING FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE PROGRAM UPDATE AND UPDATE ON PUBLIC SAFETY DRONES AND THEN AGM GOORJIAN WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE RESOURCE ALLOCATION STUDY, WHICH IS INITIATING THIS YEAR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT REVIEW.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE? YES. GO AHEAD [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU.
IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH WORK WE DO HERE AND YOU DO OUT THERE.
BUT ON NUMBER 12, WITH THE SMALL TRAILS.
UPDATE. CAN WE ALSO GET AN UPDATE? CAN THAT INCLUDE THE. YEP AND HOW THAT PROGRAM IS BEING INTEGRATED? ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS THAT WAS COMMUNICATED TO CHIEF KENNEDY.
OKAY, GREAT. ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS RELATED TO SMALL TRAILS.
GOOD TO HEAR AND THEN THIS IS JUST A QUESTION.
WE'VE ALWAYS HAD KIND OF A LOOSE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FRIENDS OF SAUSAL CREEK THE REGIONAL PARKS, AND I WAS AND THEY HAVE A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, LISA GIORDANO, AND SHE ASKED IF WE COULD POSSIBLY MEET AND CREATE A AN MOU SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN ACTUAL AGREEMENT TO DATE.
I MEAN, WE'VE MADE SIGNS FOR THEM.
IN FACT, THEIR MAIN ENTRANCE SIGN AT THE DIMOND CANYON TRAIL IS A HAND CARVED SIGN THAT SAYS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK DISTRICT AND WE'VE ALSO WE'RE COLLABORATING WITH THE PILOT MANZANITA ALONG WESTRIDGE TRAIL.
AND THEN ALSO AS IF IT'S APPROPRIATE.
THANK YOU. GREAT. I WASN'T SURE WHICH WAY TO GO.
I'LL BRING IT UP BECAUSE WITH MY ONE ON ONE WITH SABRINA AS WELL.
OKAY. THANK YOU. ELLEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WOULD JUST SAY I ALWAYS APPRECIATE THIS PARTICULAR SORT OF ITEM THAT WE GET EACH YEAR.
THIS IS A VERY THOROUGH ITEM THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
LOOKING FORWARD TO THE REST OF THE YEAR.
IN REGARDS TO THE WINTER STORM, 2023 WINTER STORM UPDATE AND LOOKING AT THAT FROM A MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE, I HAD THE THE THE HONOR TO BE AT SUNOL ON WAS IT SATURDAY NOW? ALREADY A SATURDAY FOR OUR FIRST 90TH ANNIVERSARY EVENT, THE SUNOL PARK BIOBLITZ, AND IT WAS REALLY AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE.
I WANT TO SHARE WHERE WE USE THE INATURALIST APP TO HELP PUT IN PHOTOS OF SOME OF THE DIFFERENT PLANT AND ANIMAL WILDLIFE THAT WE ENCOUNTERED ON THE TRAIL AND OUR YOU KNOW, OUR SUNOL VISITOR CENTER DID SUCH A GREAT JOB IN REGARDS TO THE BIOBLITZ AND ORGANIZING THAT ACTIVITY.
AND WHILE ON THE BIOBLITZ, SOME DIFFERENT WINTER STORM I GUESS DAMAGE WAS
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POINTED OUT TO ME, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THIS HAS BUBBLED UP, AND SOME OF IT MAYBE HADN'T BUBBLED UP BECAUSE IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN AS SIGNIFICANT AS SOME OF THE OTHER STORM DAMAGE THAT WE HAD EXPERIENCED.SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD TWO TRAIL SIGNS THAT WERE ALMOST COMPLETELY UNDER UNDER DIRT BECAUSE OF THE EROSION AND THE DIRT THAT HAD BEEN MOVED DURING THE STORMS AND I KNOW THOSE ARE JUST TWO SIGNPOSTS, BUT THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE AND THEN ALSO THE FACT THAT THE TRAIL AND THE GROUND HAD BEEN RAISED SO SIGNIFICANTLY TO ALMOST COVER THE TWO SIGNPOSTS AND THEN THERE'S A FEW CROSSINGS ON THE TRAIL THAT WE WENT ON WHERE WE HAD TO CROSS OVER THE CREEKS AND THEY WEREN'T THEY WERE FINE TO CROSS OVER, BUT IT WAS HELPFUL TO HAVE YOU KNOW, OUR NATURALISTS WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE TAKING THE SAFEST ROUTES ACROSS THE CREEKS AND IT MAY BE THAT IF YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN, IT MIGHT NOT ALWAYS BE OBVIOUS WHAT THE SAFEST ROUTE IS AND SO WHILE THESE MIGHT NOT BE AS SUBSTANTIAL AS SOME OF THE OTHER WINTER STORM DAMAGE I KNOW I SAW PHOTOS OF, AND I KNOW THAT WE WORKED ON, I THINK SOME OF THESE ASPECTS OF THINGS SHOULD ALSO BE INCLUDED IN THIS WINTER STORM REPORT.
AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING SOME OF THE SMALLER THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN AND THEN MY NEXT COMMENT IS IN REGARDS TO NUMBER SEVEN AND EIGHT, IN TERMS OF THE INFORMATIONAL REPORTS, THE INTERPRETIVE AND RECREATION SERVICES UPDATES.
BUT IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE OTHER INSTITUTIONS WITHIN OUR REGIONS THAT DO SIMILAR WORK OR ARE OR WE EXPECT THEM TO HAVE SIMILAR WORK, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SEE THAT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, AGAIN GOING TO SONOMA ON SATURDAY, I PASSED BY THE SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION'S SUNOL WATER TEMPLE, AND THEY ARE OPENING UP THE ALAMEDA CREEK WATERSHED INTERPRETIVE CENTER AND I NOTICED THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO OPEN IT UP ACTUALLY IN EARLY 2024, AND THEY PUT A SIGN OVER IT.
NOW, IT SAYS LATE 2024, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HEAR SOME SORT OF UPDATE ON THAT IF POSSIBLE AND I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE SOME REGULAR MEETINGS WITH SFPUC, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION ON THERE ABOUT THIS NEW INTERPRETIVE CENTER THAT'S OPENING UP AS PART OF THE SFPUC ORGANIZATION AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EARLIER IN TODAY'S COMMITTEE MEETING, I MENTIONED THE DON EDWARDS WILDLIFE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF NATIONAL PARK SERVICE SITES, AND IT MIGHT JUST BE A MATTER OF BECAUSE, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A LOT OF EXTRA WORK, BUT MAYBE IF THERE WAS EVEN JUST A MAP THAT HAD EACH OF THESE OTHER SITES THAT WE'RE AWARE OF WITHIN PARKS WHETHER IT'S NATIONAL PARKS, SFPUC OR US FISH AND WILDLIFE INCLUDED ON THE MAP, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
OKAY. CAN CERTAINLY PASS THAT ON.
GREAT. THANK YOU. BUT OTHERWISE, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY COMPREHENSIVE.
IT IS REALLY NICE THAT WE GET TO CONTINUE ANOTHER YEAR TOGETHER, THE THREE OF US, SO THAT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR THIS COMMITTEE THAT WE HAVE THAT INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND AS I SAID AT THE END OF LAST YEAR AND I STILL BELIEVE THIS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE ON THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE, I THINK I'VE LEARNED MORE ABOUT THE PARK DISTRICT THAN I DID ON MY SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS ON THE PAC, THOUGH I DID LEARN A LOT ON THE PAC.
AND SINCE IT'S INFORMATIONAL, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE ANY SORT OF APPROVAL.
SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND THEN CLOSE THIS ITEM.
IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH WE DON'T.
[INAUDIBLE] PICKED UP A COUPLE OF INSTANCES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.
THE WOMAN THAT HAD HER OVERTURNED HER CAR LAKE DEL VALLE IN THE CREEK THERE, AND THEN THE WOMAN THAT WAS FOUND IN AT TILDEN I THINK THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO GET HEADS UP ON WHEN THOSE INCIDENTS HAPPEN.
I THINK WE, I THINK WE ALL SAW SOME OF THOSE THROUGH THE NEWS MEDIA.
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SO YEAH AND THAT KIND OF LEADS TO.REGARDING THE INCIDENT AT LAKE DUVALIER.
WE DON'T HAVE A RESIDENT THERE ANYMORE, DO WE? AT LAKE DEL VALLE THERE IS A CAMP HOST THAT RESIDES THERE.
THAT SEEMED LIKE THE WOMAN WAS IN THE UPSIDE DOWN IN THE CREEK FOR QUITE A WHILE.
SO JUST CURIOUS WHAT THAT HOW THAT PLAYED OUT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME DETAILS ON THAT.
SO THAT'S IT? YEAH. THAT'S IMPORTANT.
I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AND LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT MADE AVAILABLE TO US.
IN THE PAST, WE USED TO GET MORE REPORTS ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH TYPICALLY AUTO ACCIDENTS OR AUTO.
WE DON'T SEEM TO GET THE INFORMATION IN ADVANCE LIKE WE USED TO AND IT MIGHT BE JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NEWS IS PUT UP ON THE TV SET BEFORE THERE'S A CHANCE TO LET US KNOW.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BECAUSE PEOPLE DO CALL US AND ASK US QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, AND IT'S NEVER A GOOD THING WHEN WE SAY, OH, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. SO IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION WHENEVER POSSIBLE IN ADVANCE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE PUBLIC MEMBERS AND BE NICE TO PEOPLE TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.
SO I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU, DIRECTORS FOR THAT INFORMATION.
SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT JUST TO CONTINUE DOING THAT.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU AND NOW WE'LL MOVE ON TO LICENSE PLATE READERS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND AS WE'RE PREPARING, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE. I WAS AT SHADOW CLIFFS YESTERDAY AND I DID SEE A MEMBER OF OUR OR I DID SEE ONE OF OUR POLICE PATROL AT SHADOW CLIFFS YESTERDAY ON PATROL, SO THAT MADE ME EXCITED. I TRIED TO WAVE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SAW ME WAVING.
BUT IT'S GOOD. IT'S GOOD TO BE AT A PARK AND TO SEE OUR YOU KNOW, POLICE ON PATROL? YES.
GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR SAM WONG, BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND AGM GOORJIAN.
MY NAME IS TERRENCE COTCHER, AND I AM THE PATROL OPERATIONS CAPTAIN FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO THIS IS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM.
THIS IS BASICALLY A TWO YEAR TRIAL PROJECT FOR THE INSTALLATION OF 14 ALPR CAMERAS.
THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY FROM FLOCK AND THE ASSOCIATED ALPR DATABASES.
THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THE CAMERAS WORK AND IN AREAS THAT ARE WELL KNOWN FOR VARIED CRIME TRENDS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PARK DISTRICT IN REGARDS TO CRIME, SO THAT WE CAN THEN COME BACK TO YOU, AS STATED PREVIOUSLY, AND SHOW YOU THE FRUITS OF OUR LABOR AND HOW THIS PROGRAM IS WORKING AND HOW IT'S HELPING US.
IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH GAME CAMERAS, THEY'RE BATTERY OPERATED VERY LIMITED USABILITY.
WE'VE KIND OF RUN OUT OF USABILITY OF THEM.
THAT IS GOING TO HELP US QUITE A BIT AND I'LL GO INTO THAT AS WE GO.
SO OUR CURRENT REALITY WE HAVE LIMITED POLICE RESOURCES.
THIS IS NOT JUST US. THIS IS ACROSS THE ENTIRE FIELD.
CRIME IS ON THE RISE AGAIN, NOT JUST US.
I THINK WE DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF KEEPING A SAFE PARK DISTRICT.
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SO THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US AND WHY IT MAKES WHY WE'RE SO EXCITED AT A LINE LEVEL ALL THE WAY UP TO OUR BRAND NEW CHIEF.IS BECAUSE THIS TECHNOLOGY IS A FORCE MULTIPLIER.
SO HOW DOES THIS TECHNOLOGY ELIMINATE OR PREVENT CRIME? SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS IS A PROACTIVE PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY.
THIS ALLOWS FOR REAL TIME ALERTS TO GO TO APPROPRIATE PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S DISPATCH OFFICERS IN THE FIELD FOR WANTED VEHICLES OR STOLEN VEHICLES THAT ENTER OUR JURISDICTION.
SECONDLY, THIS IS AN INVESTIGATIVE TOOL, AND THAT'S HOW WE'VE USED IT IN THE RECENT PAST.
ALPR IS JUST THE FACT THAT THEY'RE THERE AND INSTALLED IN OUR PARKS IS A DETERRENT.
WHICH IS HALF THE BATTLE FOR US.
FLOCK ENDS UP TAKING CARE OF ALL OF THAT.
SO IT'S LIKE PUTTING A POLICE OFFICER'S EYES SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR.
IT'S REAL TIME, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND IT'S ETHICALLY MADE.
SO THIS IS NOT FACIAL RECOGNITION.
THIS IS NOT HAVING TO DO WITH PEOPLE.
SO AGAIN, WHAT IT IS LICENSE PLATE RECOGNITION.
IT GATHERS OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE.
OBJECTIVE IS A REALLY IMPORTANT WORD IN THAT BULLET POINT.
IT ALERTS THE POLICE OF WANTED VEHICLES.
IT HELPS SOLVE CRIME, AND IT ADHERES TO ALL STATE LAWS.
WHAT THIS IS NOT? THIS IS NOT FACIAL RECOGNITION.
THIS IS NOT TIED TO PII OR PERSONAL IDENTIFYING INFORMATION.
SO THE DATA IS CONSTANTLY ROTATING.
UNLESS WE NEED IT FOR A CASE, THEN IT CAN BE PULLED DOWN AND SAVED, OBVIOUSLY IN PERPETUITY.
FOR THE NEEDS OF THAT CASE AND SUBJECT TO OUR RECORDS RETENTION POLICY.
SO THE 14 LOCATIONS ARE LISTED HERE.
I CAN GO THROUGH THEM VERY QUICKLY.
MARTIN LUTHER KING IS BASICALLY EVERY ENTRY.
GARIN HAS TWO CAMERAS, MAIN ENTRANCE AND DRY CREEK.
BECAUSE OF ITS PROPENSITY FOR AUTO BURGLARIES AND OUR OUR INTERNAL USES OF IT CONSISTENTLY, CONSTANTLY AND THE FINAL ONE WAS CARQUINEZ STRAIT REGIONAL SHORELINE, BULL VALLEY STAGING.
THAT'S ONE OF THOSE STAGING AREAS THAT'S HARD TO GET TO AND WE DO SEE STRANGE EVENTS HAPPEN OUT THERE ON A SEMI-REGULAR BASIS. SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT 24/7 COVERAGE.
SO JUST TO GO BACK OF PROTECTING PRIVACY, THE THE FOOTAGE THAT'S CREATED, THE IMAGES THAT ARE CREATED ARE OWNED BY OUR AGENCY AND THERE WOULD NEVER BE SOLD OR SHARED BY FLOCK. THERE IS A 30 DAY RETENTION PERIOD AND THEN IT'S DELETED UNLESS WE DO RETAIN THAT FOR EVIDENCE.
THE SHORT RETENTION PERIOD ENSURES THAT DATA THAT'S NOT ASSOCIATED WITH A CRIME OR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS AUTOMATICALLY DELETED AND NOT RECOVERABLE.
IT TAKES THE HUMAN BIAS OUT OF SOLVING AND DETECTING CRIME BASED ON IT BEING AN OBJECTIVE DATA AND REALLY FOCUSING ON THE LOCATION INSTEAD OF THE PERSON.
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ALL OF THE DATA IS SECURED IN THE AWS CLOUD AND IS END TO END ENCRYPTED.THE SEARCH REASON IS REQUIRED.
THIS IS NOT FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE.
IT IS NOT PREDICTIVE POLICING.
SO IT'S ALSO NOT CONNECTED TO ANY EXTERNAL THIRD PARTY DATABASES.
SO FLOCK DOES PROVIDE AND ALLOW FOR US TO HAVE A FORWARD FACING CITIZEN REVIEW OF BASICALLY HOW MANY HITS HAVE POPPED UP, WHAT THOSE HITS HAVE CONSISTED OF, WHERE THEY'VE POPPED UP AND THAT'S JUST A WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND IS COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.
PRETTY SOME HIGH PROFILE VIOLENT CRIMES.
SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE'S 4 EXAMPLES DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING SHORELINE, A HOMICIDE FROM MARTIN LUTHER KING SHORELINE A CARJACKING FROM GARIN AND AN ATTEMPTED HOMICIDE CASE FROM ECKLEY PIER.
AND THERE'S A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF OF THOSE INSTANCES THERE.
SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M HAPPY TO HEAR ANY COMMENTS OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE.
ALL RIGHT I'LL OPEN UP TO MY COLLEAGUES FIRST IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
I ANYTHING THAT'LL HELP OUR OFFICERS AND THE PUBLIC FEEL SAFE.
SO THESE CAMERAS AREN'T PORTABLE.
CORRECT AND DO WE HAVE A HISTORY OF HOW OFTEN THEY GET VANDALIZED.
SO THERE IS THE LIKELIHOOD OR THE PROBABILITY THAT THEY COULD BE VANDALIZED.
SOME OF THAT IS COVERED BY FLOCK.
BUT SOME OF IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL.
WE ARE BANKING ON THE FACT THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE INVISIBLE LOCATIONS.
OKAY. ARE THEY UP HIGH? THEY ARE. OKAY.
THAT HELPS AND THEN I WAS WONDERING IF THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH OUR ADJACENT AGENCIES, CITY SISTER CITIES.
THAT PARKING LOT IS ON OAKLAND PROPERTY.
BUT PEOPLE GO THERE AND THEY ASSUME THAT'S OUR PARKING LOT.
SO I KNOW A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS THERE, AND A LOT OF THEM WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING SOME KIND OF A CAMERA PROGRAM WHERE THEY WE COULD PUT CAMERAS ALONG THERE IN THEIR HOMES OR IN THEIR JURISDICTION OF THEIR HOMES TO HELP RESOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THERE AT THAT PARTICULAR STAGING AREA.
SO IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? SO THE THERE ARE SOME AGENCIES THAT ARE VERY EASY TO WORK WITH, AND THERE ARE SOME AGENCIES THAT AREN'T AS EASY TO WORK WITH.
YOU MENTIONED THE OAKLAND POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY ARE COMING TOGETHER WITH FLOCK.
ACTUALLY FOR A FEW HUNDRED, I THINK UP TO 500 CAMERAS IN THE CITY OF, OF OAKLAND.
I DON'T QUITE KNOW WHERE EXACTLY THAT IS.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH, LET'S SAY, THE CITY OF BERKELEY WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN US PUSHING FORWARD OUR PROGRAM AND THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE AS EVERYBODY GETS MORE SETTLED THAT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S USED PER CAMERA IS RELATIVELY LOW.
OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE, AND IT DOES WORK AS ADVERTISED
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AND WE WANT TO AND THAT'S WHY I THINK OUR CONTINUED CONVERSATION WITH YOU AS THE BOARD HELP US MAKE THAT DECISION, THAT IT IS WORTHWHILE, THAT WE CAN THEN MAYBE EXPAND OUR PROGRAM. SO AND THAT DOES MEAN MORE INTERACTION WITH PARTNER AGENCIES.ELLEN, I BELIEVE YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING, IN THE LOCATIONS THAT WERE CHOSEN, CAN YOU JUST LET US KNOW WHY YOU CHOSE CERTAIN ONES? I'M ASSUMING IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE RECORDS ARE CURRENTLY IN THOSE AREAS.
MAYBE THAT WAS ONE PORTION OF IT.
TWO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN A DIVERSE AREA.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT BLACK DIAMOND OR CONTRA LOMA, THE NEEDS OF EACH PARK ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
BUT THE PRESCRIPTION, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THE PRESCRIPTION IS THE SAME.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT STRONG CELLULAR DATA AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO PROVIDE A LOT OF HITS FOR US, AND THEN AREAS THAT ARE GOING TO GIVE US ACTIONABLE DATA OR ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ARRESTS.
THIS SOUNDS LIKE A PROMISING PROGRAM FOR US.
SO WHEN YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE EFFECT.
THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE ENTIRE PROGRAM.
ARE YOU VIEWING THIS AS MAYBE THE FIRST KIND OF MAYBE NOT PILOT PHASE, BUT THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS PROGRAM THAT POTENTIALLY, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT COULD EXPAND TO BE AT EACH ONE OF OUR STAGING AREAS.
YEAH, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS SORT OF THE FUTURE OF OR A PORTION OF THE FUTURE OF POLICING.
IF WE DO FIND THAT THIS DOES WORK OUT THE WAY THAT WE HOPE I COULD VERY MUCH SEE THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ACQUISITION OF NEW PROPERTY OR BUILDING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE INCLUDING TECHNOLOGY LIKE THIS IN THAT PLANNING PROCESS WOULD MAKE SENSE KIND OF IN PERPETUITY.
SO THIS IS KIND OF OUR FIRST TOE IN THE WATER, OUR FIRST LITTLE STEP.
WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT IN A METERED WAY, THAT WE ARE BEING COMMUNICATIVE WITH OUR WITH THE PUBLIC AND ALSO WITH OUR DECISION MAKERS, ALL OF YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT IN LOCKSTEP WITH US AS WE CONTINUE DOWN THIS ROAD AND THEN I'VE TWO OTHER QUESTIONS.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THESE ARE ALL GOING TO BE PLACED IN AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
SO NOT ON LAND BANKED PROPERTY.
HAVE WE DISCUSSED SOME OF OUR LAND BANK PROPERTY.
IS THERE A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY AT THE LAND BANK PROPERTIES CURRENTLY, OR COULD THERE BE IN THE FUTURE? I KNOW MAYBE WITH SOME LAND BANK PROPERTIES, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC COULD ACCESS IT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AT THE PRESENT TIME.
SO WHAT WE COULDN'T DO EVEN SIX MONTHS AGO IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO.
NOW THIS COULD BE A FOUNDATIONAL SHIFT IN HOW WE ARE ABLE TO INCREASE SAFETY IN THE PARK DISTRICT, INCREASE OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE PARK DISTRICT ACROSS EVERYWHERE THAT WE POLICE. SO WHETHER THAT'S LAND BANK OR WHETHER THAT'S A CLASS ONE VERY ACTIVE PARK, I THINK IT HAS SOLUTIONS FOR ALL OF THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS.
IT'S A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AND AT THE POINT THAT WE ARE NOW, IT MAKES MOST SENSE TRYING TO GET THE MOST DATA THAT WE CAN TO THEN PROVIDE BACK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS COULD WORK EVERYWHERE.
YEAH, WE DID IT. YOU TIMED IT.
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AND I'M LIKE, OH, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S US.THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I WAS AT SHADOW CLIFFS SINCE TWO WEEKS AGO, WHEN I WATCHED THE DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE CHOWCHILLA KIDNAPING, WHICH FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THIS REALLY SEVERE AND HORRIFIC EVENT THAT THE BUSLOAD OF SCHOOL CHILDREN WHO WERE KIDNAPED AND THEY WERE BROUGHT TO ONE OF THE QUARRIES IN LIVERMORE. IT'S TWO QUARRIES OVER FROM SHADOW CLIFFS.
SO NOT SHADOW CLIFFS, NOT SIMEX, BUT THE NEXT QUARRY OVER.
IT'S SUCH A SEVERE AND STRANGE AND HORRIBLE CRIME AND MY POINT IN SHARING THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING I THOUGHT OF WHEN I WAS IN WHAT WE CALL THE CHAIN OF LAKES AREA, WHICH SHADOW CLIFFS IS A PART OF IS WITH THESE CAMERAS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THEM IN LOCATIONS WHERE WE DO SEE THIS FREQUENCY OF CRIMES, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS SMASHING, CAR BURGLARIES, THOSE TYPE OF CRIMES. BUT THEN ALSO IN SOME OF OUR MORE REMOTE OR LESS FREQUENT AREAS, THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY COULD ALSO BE REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE IS THAT CHANCE THAT SOME SORT OF SEVERE CRIME COULD HAPPEN IN A REMOTE AREA, AND SO MAYBE WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY IN TERMS OF FREQUENCY FOR A YEAR OR TWO, BUT MAYBE IN THAT YEAR THREE IF SOMEONE DECIDES AND I HOPE IT NEVER HAPPENS.
BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THERE'S ALWAYS THAT POSSIBILITY.
I MEAN, TO ME, I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT CHOWCHILLA BUS KIDNAPING HAPPENED BASICALLY IN MY BACKYARD AND I OBVIOUSLY HOPE IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.
BUT I THINK FOR US AS AN AGENCY, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO THINK ABOUT THESE TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY AND TECHNOLOGIES AND THE RANGE OF POSSIBILITIES IN TERMS OF HOW IT COULD HELP US SOLVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT CRIMES.
FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THIS IS LISA GORDON, ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER OF OPERATIONS.
I DID WANT TO COMMEND PUBLIC SAFETY ON THIS PILOT PROGRAM.
I BELIEVE IT'S A TWO YEAR PROGRAM AND SO SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'RE HEARING TODAY ARE ONES THAT OPERATIONS AND PUBLIC SAFETY CAN WORK ON TO SEE HOW WE CAN TRY TO ADDRESS THEM.
DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, THOUGH? YOU CAN. WELL, I'M GOING TO ALSO MAKE SURE.
DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY. NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
YOU MAY HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE CLOSE THIS.
THANK YOU. I THINK THAT ENDS THIS INFORMATIONAL ITEM.
OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE ON TO THE ANNOUNCEMENTS PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
ARE THERE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO MAKE FIRST? NO. OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY STAFF ANNOUNCEMENTS? OKAY. WELL, THEN THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
THANKS, EVERYONE. THIS WAS A GOOD.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.