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GREAT. THANK YOU. WELCOME TO THE BOARD FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK DISTRICT.

[Roll Call]

ON THIS DAY, WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 10TH, WE'RE BEGINNING TODAY AT 11:02.

AND OUR MEETING IS NOW OPEN. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? DIRECTOR MERCURIO. HERE. DIRECTOR WAESPI. HERE.

GENERAL COUNSEL. GO. HERE. ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGER SPAULDING.

HERE. TODAY'S MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO THE BROWN ACT.

STAFF IS PROVIDING LIVE AUDIO AND VIDEO STREAMING.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT MAY DO SO BY PROVIDING A COMMENT IN PERSON, JOINING LIVE VIA ZOOM WITH THE LINK PROVIDED ON THE AGENDA LOCATED ON THE PARK DISTRICT WEBSITE.

IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEETING PROCEDURES, WE WILL BEGIN.

LET ME STATE THAT MY MIC WAS OFF AND DIRECTOR WAESPI AND DIRECTOR MERCURIO ARE PRESENT.

THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS TODAY IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF WHICH WE HAVE NONE.

SO WE'LL MOVE RIGHT ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? MADAM? NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THEN WE'LL MOVE TO OUR ACTION ITEMS, WHICH WE HAVE NONE, BUT WE DO HAVE INFORMATIONAL ITEMS.

[Informational Items]

AND OUR FIRST ITEM IS THE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE RENOVATION AND REPLACEMENT FUND ANNUAL UPDATE.

WHAT IS GOING ON? OKAY. GOOD MORNING. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.

KATIE DIGNAN, ASSISTANT FINANCE OFFICER, JOINED TODAY BY OUR DIVISION LEAD OF MAINTENANCE AND SKILLED TRADES, CHRIS WYCKOFF. WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE RENOVATION AND REPLACEMENT FUND, MIRR 553.

SO A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY OF THE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE RENOVATION AND REPLACEMENT FUND.

THE PARK DISTRICT BEGAN USING STREET SAVER AS THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM TO DETERMINE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IN THE MID 1990S.

IN 2012, THE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE RENOVATION AND REPLACEMENT FUND 553 WAS CREATED TO PROVIDE A LONG TERM PROGRAM TO FUND THE REPAIR, RENOVATION, AND REPLACEMENT OF THE PARK DISTRICT'S AGING FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

IN 2014, WE ENGAGED A CONSULTING FIRM, VFA , TO PROVIDE AN ASSET MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE SYSTEM AND CONDUCT A FORMAL INVENTORY AND ASSESSMENT OF ALL OUR CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE ASSESSMENT INCLUDED THE LOCATION, CONSTRUCTION DATE, INVENTORY OF ALL SYSTEMS, ESTIMATED REPLACEMENT COST, AND FACILITY CONDITION INDEX. THE DATABASE DOES NOT INCLUDE COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS OR OUR LINEAR ASSETS SUCH AS SEWER AND WATER LINES.

THE GOAL WAS TO INVENTORY AND ASSESS 20% OF THE PARK DISTRICT'S ASSETS EACH YEAR.

DUE TO THE LARGE AMOUNT OF ASSETS ACROSS THE DISTRICT AND THE COVID 19 PANDEMIC, THE ASSESSMENT WAS NOT COMPLETED UNTIL 2021.

IN 2018, THE MAINTENANCE AND SKILLED TRADES, MAJOR MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL COSTS, SUPPLIES AND REPAIR BUDGET WAS MOVED FROM GENERAL FUND TO MIRR. THEN, IN NOVEMBER OF 2019, THE BOARD FORMALIZED THE MIRR FUND BY ADOPTING POLICY 6.1, WHICH ESTABLISHED TARGETS FOR ANNUAL APPROPRIATIONS AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.

THEN, MOVING FORWARD TOWARDS APRIL OF 2024 IS WHEN WE CREATED THE MASS PUBLIC WORKS UNIT NUMBER THREE MAJOR MAINTENANCE UNIT TO MANAGE PROJECTS INVOLVING SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS IN LATE 2024.

THE FINANCE COMMITTEE AND BOARD PERFORMED THE FIVE YEAR ANNUAL REVIEW OF POLICY 6.1 AND UPDATED IT TO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL DEFINITIONS AND RESOURCE REQUIREMENTS. AND THIS YEAR WE HAD THE MASS PUBLIC WORKS UNIT INCLUDED IN THE OPERATING BUDGET, FUNDED FOR SEVEN FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. A RECAP OF POLICY 6.1 MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE RENOVATION AND REPLACEMENT FUND.

IT WAS FORMALIZED IN THE MIRR FUND AND ESTABLISHED A LEVEL OF DESIRED ASSET MAINTENANCE THROUGH THE FACILITY CONDITION INDEX AT A TARGETED SCORE OF 72 AND THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX AT A TARGET SCORE OF 80.

THE POLICY STATES THAT PROJECTED ANNUAL FUNDING OF $14.8 MILLION IS REQUIRED TO REACH THE RECOMMENDED PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.

THE RECOMMENDED RESERVE IS 1% TO 3%, WHICH IS ABOUT $5 TO $15 MILLION TO DATE.

AS OF THE END OF DECEMBER 2020, OUR HOUR RESERVE BALANCE IS CURRENTLY $10.5 MILLION.

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OUR POLICY IS REVIEWED EVERY FIVE YEARS, AND THE FINANCE COMMITTEE HAS PROVIDED AN ANNUAL REPORT ON THE PCI AND FCI SCORES, AS WELL AS PROJECTED RESOURCES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO MEET THOSE TARGETS.

ELIGIBLE USES FOR FACILITIES PROJECTS INCLUDE RENOVATION, REPAIR, REPLACEMENT, UPGRADES, DEMOLITION, AS WELL AS SOFT COSTS FOR DESIGN, SERVICES, PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND ANY SOFTWARE WE NEED TO ASSIST IN TRACKING OUR PERFORMANCE INDEXES.

THE SAME FOR PAVEMENT. WE HAVE REPLACEMENT, SEAL TREATMENTS, REMOVAL OF PAVEMENT, CONVERSION TO NATURAL SURFACES, AND THEN ALSO RELATED CATEGORIES SUCH AS STRIPING, ADA IMPROVEMENTS, AND SIGNAGE AND SAFETY MEASURES.

FOR 2025, $6,855,248 OF MORE FUNDS WAS BUDGETED FOR OPERATING.

THIS INCLUDED SEVEN FULL TIME EQUIVALENT TEAM MEMBERS.

SERVICES FUNDED IS BROKEN OUT INTO THE CATEGORIES OF BRIDGES, DOCK AND PIERS, PAVEMENT, STRUCTURES, UTILITIES, AND RESIDENCES. IF A MIRR PROJECT ENDS UP EXCEEDING $100,000 AND IS ELIGIBLE FOR CAPITALIZATION, THE FUNDING IS TRANSFERRED FROM OPERATING TO THE PROJECT FUND AND THEN INCLUDED IN THE CIP.

SO THAT IS WHY YOU'LL SEE HISTORICALLY THAT WE'RE NOT MEETING YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN BUDGETING AROUND $6 MILLION IN THE FUND, BUT WE TEND TO HAVE TO CAPITALIZE THE PROJECTS.

AND THEN THEY MOVE FROM THE OPERATING FUND TO THE PROJECT FUND.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE EXPENDITURES FROM 2023, WE WERE ABOUT $4.29 MILLION.

THEN IN 2024, 3.8. AND AS OF THE END OF OCTOBER, WE'RE WERE AT A $4.5 MILLION, AND WE EXPECT THAT THIS WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE AS THE UNIT IS NOW FULLY STAFFED. AS OF OCTOBER 31ST, $69.9 MILLION OF MIRR FUNDS HAS BEEN ALLOCATED FOR PROJECTS SINCE 2012, INCLUDING 58 ACTIVE PROJECTS.

WE HAVE EXPENDED ABOUT 65% OF THESE FUNDS WITH A BALANCE OF $24.1 MILLION.

PROJECTS ARE BROKEN OUT BY TYPE, WITH THE LARGEST CATEGORY AT OVER $21.8 MILLION ALLOCATED TO PUBLIC ACCESS, WHICH INCLUDES FACILITIES SUCH AS OUR AQUATIC FACILITIES, OUR CAMPING AND PICNIC AREAS, RESTROOMS, PLAYGROUNDS AND VISITOR CENTERS. THE SECOND LARGEST CATEGORIES IS UTILITIES, WHICH IS AT $15 MILLION, AND THIS IS MAINLY SUPPORTING WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM PROJECTS SUCH AS MACKAY AVENUE UTILITY REPLACEMENT AT CROWN BEACH AND ANTHONY CHABOT CAMPGROUND SEWER.

NOW I'M GOING TO HAND OFF TO CHRIS TO GO INTO OUR PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, OUR FACILITIES CONDITION INDEX AND CURRENT PROJECTS.

THANKS. THANK YOU KATIE. AGAIN, I'M CHRIS WYCKOFF.

I'M DIVISION LEAD FOR MAINTENANCE AND SKILLED TRADES.

I'VE GOT KIND OF TWO PRIMARY AREAS TO DISCUSS WITH YOU ALL TODAY.

I OVERSEE THE GROUPS THAT KIND OF MANAGE THIS PIECE OF THE MIRR FUNDING.

THE FIRST ONE IS PCI, WHICH IS PAYMENT CONDITION INDEX.

SO THIS YEAR, WE COMPLETED AN UPDATED ASSESSMENT OF THE PCI FOR THE PARK DISTRICT.

AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE TABLE THERE HOW THAT'S BEEN BROKEN OUT.

THE PREVIOUS ASSESSMENT THAT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THIS WAS FROM.

THE DATA WAS COLLECTED IN 2015 AND THE REPORT WAS RECEIVED IN 2016.

THE PCI AT THAT TIME WAS 72, AND NOW IT SHOWS 61.

THERE ARE REASONS FOR THAT. THE FIRST ONE IS THERE'S BEEN AN INCREASE IN TOTAL VOLUME THAT THE PARK DISTRICT HAS ACQUIRED IN THOSE TEN YEARS.

AND MOST OF THAT IS NOT NEW PAVEMENT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS AN AGGREGATE NUMBER WHERE IT'S AN AVERAGED COMPONENT.

SO OLDER PAVEMENT IS LIKELY TO BRING DOWN THAT NUMBER.

IT WAS AN INCREASE IN TOTAL VOLUME, LIKE I SAID, ABOUT 3,000,000FT².

IN 2015 IT WAS 17,000,000FT². AND NOW IT'S ABOUT 20.

WE ALSO, AS PART OF THIS ASSESSMENT, TOOK A TIGHTER VARIANCE ON CRACKS FROM THREE INCHES TO THREE QUARTER INCHES.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS THREE INCHES MIGHT WORK WELL FOR ROADWAYS, WHICH IS WHERE STREET SAVER IS TYPICALLY BEEN DESIGNED FOR.

A THREE INCH CRACK ON A TRAIL IS OBVIOUSLY A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS THAN IT IS ON A ROADWAY FOR A CAR.

ALSO, THERE ARE MUCH MORE ACCURATE ASSESSMENT METHODS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE CURRENTLY THAN THERE WERE IN 2015.

IT'S PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED STAFF THAT WERE DOING IT AT THIS TIME. THEY'RE USING THINGS LIKE LIDAR AND JUST MORE UP TO DATE INFORMATION.

THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS TOO, AND YOU'LL SEE, AS WE GET INTO THIS DISCUSSION FURTHER, THERE IS JUST INCREASED COST FOR CONSTRUCTION.

SO THE MODELS AT THE TIME THAT PROJECTED PCI INCREASE OR DECREASE OVER TIME THAT, YOU KNOW,

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MAYBE IT DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR AND PROBABLY THE REST OF US DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, POST COVID, CONSTRUCTION IN GENERAL HAS INCREASED ANYWHERE FROM 30% TO 50%.

AND IN SOME DISCIPLINES IT'S EVEN DOUBLED. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU'RE SEEING. AND THEN OF COURSE I THINK ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS TO LOOK AT HERE, AND ONE OF THE POSITIVES WE WANT TO TAKE AWAY IS ALTHOUGH THE DECREASE OVERALL TRAILS REMAINS OUR HIGHEST PCI AT THE MOMENT AND WHERE WE WANT TO KIND OF FOCUS ON THAT AS WELL. SO THIS IS.

RIGHT? YES. YEAH. THIS IS PAVED. YES. THIS IS ALL.

SO I KNOW LOTS OF COMMENTS ON TRAILS BEFORE A FEW WEEKS AGO, BUT THIS IS ALL PAVED THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

SO THIS IS A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE PCI ACROSS THE DISTRICT.

AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE GREEN, YELLOW, RED AND ORANGE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, 40%, 41% IS CONSIDERED GOOD.

SO THAT'S A RATING OF 70 OR HIGHER. AND THEN THE NEXT TWO ARE FAIRLY CLOSE, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, FAIR AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BORDERLINE ON POOR, BUT ONLY VERY POOR AT 10%.

AND PART OF THIS GAME TO KIND OF KEEP YOUR PCI CONSTANT OR MOVING IN THE POSITIVE DIRECTION INVOLVES FOCUSING ON REALLY KIND OF ELIMINATING AS MUCH OF THE POOR AS POSSIBLE. SO BEFORE YOU GO OFF OF THAT MAP, SOMETHING REALLY STANDS OUT THERE RIGHT NEXT TO THE WORD EL CERRITO.

THERE'S A BIG, LONG LOOKS LIKE RED. YES. SO IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE LETTING IT GO, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO TURN IT INTO A DIRT TRAIL OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY BAD. WHAT'S THE REASON WHY THERE'S SUCH A HUGE SECTION OF CONDITION FAILED TO VERY POOR PAVEMENT? SO THAT'S NIMITZ. AND WE'VE ACTUALLY JUST HAVING DISCUSSIONS ON THE BEST WAY TO KIND OF TREAT THAT AREA.

THERE ARE OPTIONS THERE. IT'S A PREVIOUSLY PAVED ROAD WHEN THE MILITARY STILL HAD STATIONED THERE.

AND WE'VE DISCUSSED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE IF IT DOES GET REPAVED OR IF IT DOES BECOME DIRT.

I THINK IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULD BE A LARGER PROJECT AND DISCUSSION AND TAKING INPUT ON IT FOR SURE.

IT'S GOTTEN TO THAT POINT, BECAUSE WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IT? I DON'T GET IT. I'VE BEEN ON PART OF THAT, BUT NOT THE FURTHEST NORTH PART.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S PROFOUNDLY MESSED UP WHEN IT'S AT THAT RATING.

YEAH.

DEFERRED MAINTENANCE CHALLENGE. RIGHT. LIKE THAT'S REALLY OBVIOUS FROM SPACE OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.

BUT WHEN YOU ZOOM IN IT'S NOT ALONE. WE HAVE A LOT OF PAVEMENT THAT'S IN POOR CONDITION.

AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS GREAT MAINTENANCE TEAM THAT'S REALLY WORKING ON SORT OF BUILDING THEIR TEAM AND WHAT THEIR CAPACITY IS.

THE NEXT STEP IS THINKING THROUGH AS WE GET A HANDLE ON WHAT THIS IS, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH IT.

BUT I JUST SAY IT'S GREAT BECAUSE IT STICKS OUT, BUT IT JUST HIGHLIGHTS A BIGGER ISSUE ACROSS THE WHOLE DISTRICT.

BECAUSE WHEN I SEE THAT IT'S BASICALLY WE'VE LOST THE INVESTMENT IN IT.

MIGHT AS WELL NOT EVEN BE THERE. IT'S NOT ALONE.

SO I THINK LIKE, I JUST SAY THERE'S SECTIONS LIKE THAT ALL AROUND THE DISTRICT AND WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH THEM.

YEAH. YEAH. THIS IS MICHAEL STENGEL, WHO'S KIND OF BEEN MANAGING SOME OF THE PAVING PROGRAM FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS.

OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU, JOHN, I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN. DIRECTOR MERCURIO.

YEAH. THAT IS A SECTION THAT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT FOUR MILES LONG.

AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS OLD. IT'S FROM WHEN THE NIKE MISSILE BASE. IT'S ALLIGATOR, BUT IT'S STABLE. SO WHEN I STARTED TAKING OVER AND DOING THIS, THERE WERE MULTIPLE SECTIONS LIKE THAT.

BUT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T CURRENTLY REPRESENT A GREAT SAFETY RISK, IT IS NOT THE GREATEST PRIORITY.

I'VE BEEN CAMPAIGNING FOR RETURNING IT TO NATURAL SURFACE.

I THINK THAT'S THE BEST THING TO DO BECAUSE IT IS A ROAD TO NOWHERE. AND IT HAS BEEN INSPECTED IN THAT DEBATE IS GOING ON AS FAR AS WHAT TO DO.

THE SOUTH HERE DOWN BY FREMONT, WHERE YOU HAVE THAT YELLOW AND RED.

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THE ACT, I WOULD SAY, IS A GREATER CONCERN. PERSONALLY, I'VE RIDDEN MY BIKE AND INSPECTED EVERY SECTION OF THIS AND I HAVE LIKE A VISUAL MEMORY OF EACH SECTION. SO I KNOW IT LOOKS REALLY BAD, BUT TRUST ME, FIVE YEARS AGO THERE WERE MANY LONG RED SECTIONS LIKE THAT, NO DOUBT. I UNDERSTAND. I KNOW WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS, BUT YEAH, IT JUST BEGGED THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW. CHRIS DID SAY THAT LONG RED SECTION ON THE MAP IS GOING TO COME UP.

SO HERE WE ARE. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANKS.

SO AS I SAID BEFORE A PIECE OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND PAVING IS RELATED TO INCREASED COSTS IN THE AGING OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE.

WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT MODELS TO MANAGE THE PCI RELATED TO FUNDING.

THE CURRENT BUDGET, AND YOU'LL SEE KIND OF HOW MUCH WE'VE SPENT IN THE LAST YEAR, WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING TO SPEND NEXT YEAR OR TWO ON PAVING.

YOU'LL SEE THAT AMOUNT ACTUALLY DOES NOT INCREASE OUR AGGREGATE PCI ACROSS THE DISTRICT OVER TEN YEARS.

AGAIN, A BIG PIECE OF THIS IS THAT THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS AND THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION HAS JUST RISEN SIGNIFICANTLY OVER TIME.

BUT AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY ON THAT, I CAN TALK ABOUT IT. BUT ALSO YOU CAN SEE THAT I THINK THAT IN ORDER TO RAISE THOSE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY KIND OF BOOST THAT IS, IT'S AN AGGREGATE PIECE.

IT'S NOT SIMPLY JUST TURNING 70S INTO 100S OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S WORKING IN EACH CATEGORY AND THERE'S DIFFERENT TREATMENTS FOR EACH CATEGORY. SO THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE PAVED IN 2025. YOU CAN SEE WE DID ABOUT 2.2 MILES IN 26,000FT².

SO THE SQUARE FOOT NUMBERS ARE NORMALLY PARKING LOTS THAT WE'RE SHOWING.

AS A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OF THAT YOU CAN SEE THE MAP THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICT WHERE THOSE WERE LOCATED.

AND I WANTED TO NOTE, TOO, THAT IN 2025, ALL OF THE PROJECTS WERE ACTUAL REPAVING.

WE EITHER LOOK AT REHABILITATION OR PRESERVATION.

AND SO THOSE WERE ACTUAL PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE REPAVING.

THE IDEAL WAY TO MANAGE THE PCI IS A MIX BETWEEN PRESERVATION AND REHABILITATION, BASED ON THE DIFFERING AGES AND CONDITIONS OF THE PAVEMENT PROVIDES THE RIGHT PRESCRIPTION. SO IN 2026, YOU'LL SEE IN A MINUTE THAT WE GET BACK TO MORE OF A MIX OF PRESERVATION AND REHABILITATION. THESE ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOS OF THE COMPLETED PAVING PROJECTS.

AND THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED FOR 2026.

SO AM I A POOR MATHEMATICIAN OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT.

IN THE 2025 PROJECTS, IT WAS $80 A SQUARE FOOT FOR A PIECE OF CRUMMY ASPHALT OR A PIECE OF WONDERFUL ASPHALT, I'M SURE, AT THAT COST. AND THEN IN 2026, WE'RE GOING TO BUMP IT TO.

WHAT THE HECK? IT'S $208. IS THAT CORRECT? $208 A SQUARE FOOT.

AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS. SOME WILL BE TEAR OUT. A PARKING LOT IS PROBABLY A HELL OF A LOT EASIER THAN A HECK OF A LOT EASIER. PARDON ME. TALKING LIKE A ROADS AND TRAILS GUY, I APOLOGIZE. HECK OF A LOT EASIER THAN A TRAIL, BUT.

WELL, IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE TO. PART OF THE FACTOR IS THAT IN 2026, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO BE A TREATMENT THROUGH LIKE A SEAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT VERSUS IN 2025, WE DIDN'T DO ANY OF THOSE TREATMENTS. IT WAS ALL REPLACEMENT. OKAY.

FOOT FOR THE 2.7 AT THE END. THAT'S ONLY CAPTURING THE 13,000 SQUARE FOOT OF THE BRAZILIAN ROOM PARKING LOT.

SO ALL OF THE MILEAGE THE TRAIL PAVED TRAIL OR PAVED ROAD MILEAGE IS NOT CAPTURED IN THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO IT'S NOT 2.7 MILLION FOR 13,000 SQUARE FOOT.

IT'S 2.7 MILLION FOR 10.8 MILES PLUS 13,000FT².

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SORRY. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

YEAH. I JUST WAS AMAZED BY THE NUMBERS. IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE.

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AND IT KEEPS GOING UP. YEAH. AND LIKE I SAID, THE INTENT THERE IS THAT WE CAN COVER MORE TREATMENT AREA, WHETHER IT'S SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR A PARKING LOT OR WHETHER IT'S MILEAGE FOR A TRAIL OR A ROAD.

IF WE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT PRESCRIPTIONS FOR THE AREAS THAT WE NEED, WE COVER MORE DISTANCE? WELL, I MEAN, A GRAPHIC ILLUSTRATION OF THE WISDOM OF PRESERVATION, TRYING TO GET AHEAD, IS HOW MANY MILES YOU GET FOR $700,000. RIGHT. YOU KNOW? ABOUT A SLURRY SEAL, RIGHT? OR ANYTHING MORE THAN.

NOT A CAPE SEAL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST A SLURRY.

RIGHT. IT COULD BE A SLURRY OR A CHIP SEAL OR IT COULD BE A SEAL COAT.

YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. SAME LIST, JUST AS A GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION ACROSS THE DISTRICT.

SO I WAS GOING TO PIVOT NOW AND TALK ABOUT THE FACILITY CONDITION INDEX, WHICH IS REALLY THE PROJECTS THAT WE DO ON OUR BUILDINGS AND, YOU KNOW, ON DISTRICT PROPERTY. THE OTHER COMPONENT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THAT KATIE WAS MENTIONING, THAT'S UTILITIES DOCKS, BRIDGES AND PIERS AND BUILDINGS.

SO IN 2014, THE PARK DISTRICT ENGAGED VFA TO SURVEY OUR ASSETS.

AND I THINK THAT WAS ALL COMPLETED IN 2021. THE DISTRICT DATABASE IS VERY LARGE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS 1400 ASSETS. MOST OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THESE IS EITHER GOING TO BE IN THE BUILDINGS AND UTILITIES, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT BASED ON HOW THE PROJECTS WERE SPENT, AT LEAST FOR WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT TODAY. THERE IS, I THINK REN IS GOING TO TALK TO YOU ALL ABOUT SOME PROJECTS THAT ALSO UTILIZES MORE FUNDING.

BUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DEDICATED TO MAST.

AGAIN, IN A SIMILAR VEIN WITH THE PCI, OUR FACILITIES CONDITION INDEX IS MUCH LOWER.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY THAT THE COST OF FACILITY AND BUILDING CONSTRUCTION HAS KIND OF BEEN ASTRONOMICAL SINCE, YOU KNOW, THE PANDEMIC TIMES. I THINK PAVING IS, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 20 TO 30% INCREASE.

THERE'S MANY AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE SOME OF THIS DATA WAS COLLECTED IN 2018 AND 2021, THOSE NUMBERS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER NOW. OBVIOUSLY KATIE MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THE TARGET FCI IS 72. AND THAT THE SOFTWARE THAT WE UTILIZE, THE VFA, ESTIMATES THAT, YOU KNOW, $13 MILLION A YEAR FUNDING IS REQUIRED TO REACH THAT TARGET IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

I DON'T HAVE A GRAPHIC REPRESENTATION THAT'S SIMILAR TO THE PCI, BUT IT'S A SIMILAR SITUATION.

OUR OVERALL DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IS CURRENTLY AT 101 MILLION.

SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE BACKLOG OF ALL THE PROJECTS. AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO 3 OR 400 PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW EXIST AND THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, ENCOMPASS THAT BACKLOG. THERE IS SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE VFA MODEL.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES BOTH IN FUNDING AND STAFF TO DELIVER ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN.

THE SOFTWARE ITSELF REMAINS STATIC. SO THE CHALLENGE IN USE OF IT REQUIRES A PROFESSIONAL.

BASICALLY, THE GROUP THAT MANAGES THE SOFTWARE WOULD NEED TO DO A WHOLE NEW ASSESSMENT OF OUR SYSTEM AND PROPERTY, JUST LIKE HOW WE DID THE PCI THIS YEAR AND UPDATING IT.

THE VFA IS IN A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION. AND ALSO ANYTHING THAT WE'VE ACQUIRED SINCE 2021 IS NOT INCLUDED.

AND THEN DEMOLITIONS HAS A SEPARATE COMPONENT TO IT THAT ALSO AFFECTS THE VFA.

SO WHEN THE EVALUATION IS MADE OF EACH ASSET BUILDING OR WHATEVER IT IS, DOES THAT INCLUDE AN ESTIMATE OF THE ESTIMATED USEFUL LIFE REMAINING ON THE ASSET? IT DOES. IT BREAKS IT DOWN INTO SYSTEMS. SO LIKE BUILDING ENVELOPE, HVAC, THOSE THINGS.

BECAUSE IT WOULD VARY. THE ROOF MIGHT BE OKAY, BUT THE HVAC IS TERRIBLE, YOU KNOW.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO IT BREAKS IT ALL DOWN OKAY. AND SO IT ALSO DOESN'T FORECAST THE CHANGE IN USE OF THE FACILITY.

SO IF WE HAVE AN OLD STRUCTURE THAT WAS USED AS A RESIDENCE AT ONE POINT AND WANT, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE USED FOR LIKE PARK STAFF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE COST TO MAINTAIN IT AS A RESIDENCE IS OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE COST TO MAINTAIN IT AS AN OFFICE. IT'S GOT NO WAY TO DO THAT.

AND AGAIN, SOME OF THESE COSTS ARE FROM 2018 THAT ARE JUST GOING TO BE CHALLENGING, LOOKING FORWARD ON IT.

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OKAY. I MENTIONED THE LONG LIST OF PROJECTS AND WORK THAT WE HAVE.

WE DO HAVE A PROCESS FOR HOW THOSE PROJECTS ARE PRIORITIZED AND ASSIGNED AND MAKE IT ON TO THE WORK PLAN FOR STAFF.

THERE'S BASICALLY A WORKFLOW THAT WHEN THE PROJECT IS IDENTIFIED THERE'S A SIMILAR SCORING SITUATION.

IT'S NOT THE SAME OBVIOUSLY, AS THE CPP, BUT WE UTILIZE A PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGH A MATRIX AND THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE SCORED.

IT THEN GOES THROUGH A REVIEW. WE LOOK AT STAFF AVAILABILITY TO ACTUALLY COMPLETE THE PROJECTS AND MOVES INTO A FUNDING, AND THEN IT GETS ONTO THE WORK PLAN FOR THE APPROPRIATE YEAR. OKAY.

SO THESE WERE THE PROJECTS THAT WERE COMPLETED FROM 24 THROUGH 25.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S A PRETTY LONG LIST.

I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT A LITTLE HEART ATTACK I ALMOST HAD WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, BECAUSE THE THIRD ONE DOWN LOOKS LIKE 9.5 MILLION, BECAUSE SOMEBODY ADDED, YOU KNOW, THE CENTS IN THERE FOR SOME REASON.

AND I'M GOING, WHOA, THAT'S A QUESTION I SAID TO MYSELF.

BUT IT'S CHEAP. IT'S 9500. LITTLE DIFFERENCE.

ZERO MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

SOME PHOTO EXAMPLES OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE COMPLETED DURING THAT TIME.

AND THEN THESE ARE WHAT ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSED ON OUR WORK PLAN FOR 2026.

AND RUNS HERE AND CAN ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THE DECO PROJECTS.

BUT TO JUST HIGHLIGHT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DECO CIP PROJECTS THAT DO HAVE MORE FUNDING, AND SO WE'VE BROKEN OUT THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED SINCE THE LAST TIME WE PROVIDED A REPORT TILL OCTOBER ARE THE FOUR THAT ARE LISTED HERE.

AND IT SHOWS YOU THE BREAKOUT OF THE FUNDING AND THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT.

AND THEN A FEW THAT WE'VE PULLED FORWARD THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN CONSTRUCTION AND ARE GOING TO BE COMPLETED EITHER BY THE END OF THIS YEAR OR EARLY NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN ALSO SO WE HAVE GOT SIX OF THOSE PROJECTS.

AND THEN GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE THE LAFAYETTE MORAGA TRAIL, AS WELL AS THE POINT PINOLE SERVICE YARD AND THE RENOVATE MCKAY AVENUE UTILITIES AND THE REST OF THE PROJECTS ARE ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION.

SO WHAT'S NEXT? OUR GOALS FIRST OFF FOR 2026 IS, YOU KNOW, NOW THAT WE HAVE THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE UNIT FULLY STAFFED, REALLY LOOK AT WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THAT TEAM IS AND WHAT THEY CAN DELIVER.

IN ORDER FOR US TO REALLY DO THE LAST EXECUTIVE OBJECTIVE, WHICH IS TO DETERMINE OUR ESTIMATED RESOURCES NEEDED FOR US TO ADDRESS ALL OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, FACILITIES AND NEEDS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

WHAT'S IT GOING TO TAKE FUNDING WISE? AND ALSO RESOURCES AND REALLY COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR HOW WE START TACKLING THIS BIG EFFORT THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED. NEXT IS STAFF TRAINING TO FACILITATE VFA UPDATES.

AS CHRIS MENTIONED, WE REALLY DO NEED TO GET THE VFA SOFTWARE UPDATED.

HOWEVER, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE REALLY WANT TO ASSESS IF THAT IS THE RIGHT FACILITIES MANAGEMENT PROGRAM GOING FORWARD.

IT WILL COST US PROBABLY ANOTHER MILLION JUST TO DO THE UPDATE OF THE SYSTEM.

AND AT THIS POINT, WE'RE REALLY WANTING TO FOCUS ON GETTING THE REPAIRS AND RENOVATIONS DONE THAT WE CAN WITH THE MONEY, THE LIMITED RESOURCES WE HAVE. AND THEN ON THE PAVING PLAN, ALSO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR OUR FIVE YEAR PAVING PRIORITIES AND PLAN.

SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION.

AND ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. THANK YOU.

JOHN? SO THERE WAS A SLIDE BACK NEAR THE BEGINNING THAT SHOWED $24 MILLION AVAILABLE IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER.

LET ME GET BACK TO THAT. YEAH. WHY DON'T WE GO TO THAT? COME ON WITH ME. THERE WE GO.

YEAH. SO I MEAN, HOW COME WE'RE NOT USING THAT.

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I MEAN, DO MORE PROJECTS, INSTEAD OF HAVING NET AVAILABLE OF $24 MILLION.

SO THAT BALANCE IS ASSIGNED TO ACTIVE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

SO EXAMPLES INCLUDES THINGS LIKE THE RENOVATE MACKAY AVENUE PROJECT THAT HAS MORE FUNDING IN IT, AS WELL AS THE LAFAYETTE MORAGA TRAIL BRIDGES, THOSE HAVE FUNDING.

SO THIS IS APPROPRIATED TO ACTIVE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE CIP RIGHT NOW.

SO WE HAVE $24 MILLION REMAINING TO BE EXPENDED OF MORE FUNDS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED TO PROJECTS.

OKAY. SO THAT'S THE SUM OF THAT FAR RIGHT COLUMN? YES. YES. GOT IT. SO AND THEN WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER WAS, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN A RESERVE.

WE HAVE $10.5 MILLION IN THE RESERVE. AND THEN IN THIS YEAR'S 2026 CAPITAL BUDGET, WE'VE PROPOSED NEW ALLOCATIONS FOR PROJECTS.

THAT'S PART OF THE CIP, AS WELL AS THE FUNDING THAT WILL JUST GO THE $6.5 MILLION IN FUNDING THAT WILL GO TOWARDS THE MAST UNIT.

LET'S SEE HERE.

I GUESS ANYTHING ELSE I WOULD SAY AS A COMMENT.

SO I'LL END IT. OKAY. JEEZ, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START.

WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE MONEY FOR THIS? I MEAN, SERIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS.

WE DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR A LOT OF THINGS. AND NOW THIS IS COMING UP, AND ALL I SEE IS.

AND I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL TOO MUCH, BUT. SO WE'RE ADDING SEVEN MORE STAFF MEMBERS, AND I LOVE ALL THE STAFF MEMBERS.

AND I KNOW YOU ALL WHO'S GOING TO PUT SOME ASPHALT ON THE GROUND? I MEAN, I'M ALMOST GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THE ROADS AND TRAILS CREW SUGGEST OR UNION SAYING, JUST MAKE ANOTHER ROADS AND TRAILS CREW. WE NEED SOME ASPHALT ON THE GROUND FIXING TRAILS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW SOME OF THESE. IF WE'RE GOING TO BE THAT CRITICAL OF A THREE QUARTER INCH CRACK NEEDS TO BE FIXED, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES OUR GRADE LOWER. IF WE ADMIT THAT TO THE PUBLIC THAT THAT'S OUR GOAL AND SOMEBODY RUNS OVER A THREE QUARTER INCH CRACK, ARE WE GOING TO BE LIABLE OR DO WE GET THE IMMUNITY TRAIL? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THE POINT IS. AND THEN WHEN WHEN YOU SAY THAT BECOMES THIS ALL VERY CRITICAL, MUCH MORE WHERE OUR PCI SCORE GOES WAY LOWER.

DO WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT HOW MUCH DOES A THREE QUARTER, I KNOW IT'S SEISMICALLY DIFFERENT, BUT DOES A THREE QUARTER INCH CRACK TAKE 20 YEARS TO GET TO THREE INCHES, WHICH USED TO BE OUR NORMAL? AND CAN WE PUT THIS OFF FOR 30 YEARS OR HOW DO WE ASSESS THAT? AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ASSESS IT. AND I WORRY ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE GOALS ARE TO REVISE THE DELIVERABLES BASED ON STAFF CAPACITY, TRAIN IN THE VFA SYSTEM, WHICH I'VE BEEN WITH THE WHATEVER THEY DID THAT YEARS AGO.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES EXCEPT CHANGE AND ASSESS THE FACILITIES MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A FIVE YEAR PRIORITIES, REPAVING AND DETERMINE THE ESTIMATE RESOURCES NEEDED FOR ALL THIS STUFF, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH LOTS OF FOLKS.

I WISH WE COULD GET SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD LAY SOME ASPHALT.

SO. THAT'S JUST A COMMENT. BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE, GOSH, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY FOR IT.

SO WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT. I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS AND ONCE AGAIN, IT'S NOT CRITICAL, AND I KNOW I'M OLD, BUT MAN, CARPENTERS USED TO PUT ROOFS ON PLACES.

AND I LOOK AT THE SIBLEY RESIDENCE, THAT'S GOT TO BE UNDER 1200 SQUARE FEET.

AND EVEN IF YOU TEAR THE ROOF OFF AND YOU GOT TO REFRAME THE ROOF SYSTEM, I STILL DON'T THINK THAT COST, YOU KNOW, A QUARTER OF $1 MILLION, WHICH I THINK IT IS HERE.

AND THEN RIGHT NEXT DOOR, THE EXHIBIT CENTER, THE SIBLEY IS UNDER 1000FT², IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

AND HOW DOES THAT GET TO BE $220,000? AND THEN, I MEAN, SOME OF THESE NUMBERS ARE ASTOUNDING TO ME.

AND I THINK WE'VE GOT THIS INCREDIBLE STAFF IN THE HOUSE.

I KNOW WE'VE GOT GREAT PAINTERS, WHICH WE USED TO PAINT STUFF OURSELVES.

AND SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE BIG. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S HOW MANY? 3 OR 4 PAINTERS, I THINK, AND 8 CARPENTERS THAT COULD REALLY, I THINK, DO SOME REALLY GOOD WORK AROUND HERE AND SAVE US SOME MONEY.

AND I THINK WE HAVE TO START THINKING OF SAVING MONEY AROUND THIS PARK DISTRICT AT SOME POINT. RIGHT? THAT'S JUST A COMMENT.

WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO ADD ANY NEW STAFF. SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

I'M GOING TO LET MAX SPEAK TO THE FUNDING AND THEN I'LL HAND OVER TO CHRIS, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE MIX OF WHAT OUR INTERNAL STAFF IS DOING

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AND THEN WHAT THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE UNIT IS DOING, BECAUSE IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THERE AREN'T REPAIR WORKS HAPPENING WITH OUR MAINTENANCE AND.

I'D SAY TO ME, LIKE I FIND IT ENCOURAGING AND I APPRECIATE YOU FLAGGING THIS ISSUE.

I THINK WE ALL SEE THIS CHALLENGE. THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT THE DISTRICT HAS, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO DELIVER ON IT.

AND WHETHER WE DO IT IN-HOUSE OR WE USE CONTRACTORS, EITHER WAY, IT'S A HUGE CHALLENGE.

AND I THINK WHAT KATIE AND CHRIS ARE HIGHLIGHTING IS WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BRING YOUR BOARD A PROPOSAL IN THE FUTURE FOR HOW WE ACCOMPLISH THAT WORK.

OUR IN-HOUSE TEAM IS EXCELLENT. I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE HAD MORE FOLKS TO DO THAT WORK AND THEY'RE NOT SITTING ON THEIR HANDS.

THOSE FOLKS ARE BUSY EVERY DAY, COMPLETING THIS EXACT TIME AT WORK.

OUR PAINTERS ARE PAINTING. THEY SAW THEM EARLIER THIS YEAR, PAINTING THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR, THAT HR IS IN DOWN THE PARKING LOT. THEY'RE OUTSTANDING WORKERS.

OUR ROAD AND TRAIL TEAM IS BUSY DOING ROAD TRAIL WORK.

THEY'RE DOING WORK AND WE COULD CERTAINLY INCREASE OUR CAPACITY.

I'M SURE CHRIS CAN SPEAK TO IT. I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT AS WELL.

AND I THINK THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FUTURE.

BUT I JUST SAY THAT WE SHARE YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MAINTENANCE WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO AND THE LACK OF FUNDING THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT. I WANTED TO ADD LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE IF THIS IS HELPFUL.

SO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE MIRR FUND, WE'VE GOT THAT TIMELINE IN THE POWERPOINT.

BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN LIKE. WE'VE BECOME INCREASINGLY AWARE OVER TIME OF OUR HUGE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE NEED.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT MIRR, MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE RENOVATION AND REPLACEMENT FUND WAS CREATED AS AN INTERNAL SERVICE FUND SO THAT WE COULD START SETTING ASIDE MONEY UPFRONT AS PART OF OUR BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. SO IN THE PAST, BEFORE WE HAD THE MIRR FUND, THOSE MAINTENANCE PROJECTS WERE FIGHTING FOR FUNDING AT THE SAME LEVEL AS THE NEW PROJECTS, LIKE BUILDING A NEW STAGING AREA.

AND SO WE SET UP THIS MIRR FUND WITH THE INTENT OF PRIORITIZING THOSE.

IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH. WE DID. IN THE 2026 BUDGET, WE'RE PROPOSING AN ADDITIONAL $500,000.

I THINK THIS YEAR, WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD HOW SQUEEZED OUR BUDGET IS, BUT WE REALLY ARE TRYING TO CONTINUE PRIORITIZING THAT.

AND I HAD SIMILAR THOUGHTS WHEN I SAW THAT WE MOVED THE THREE INCH GAP TO THREE QUARTER INCH AT THE SAME TIME.

I DO THINK THAT'S MORE REALISTIC FOR OUR TRAILS.

AND SO I FEEL LIKE EVEN THOUGH THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE NOW HAVE MAKES OUR SCORE LOOK WORSE, IT ALSO GIVES US BETTER INFORMATION. AND I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT, LIKE, HAVING THIS DATA NOW IS MOVING US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SCARY TO LOOK AT. I ALSO WANTED TO ADD THAT DIRECTOR MERCURIO HAD REQUESTED THAT WE ADD A NEW MEASURE TO OUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND OUR BUDGET, WHICH IS MILES OF TRAILS PAVED. SO WE'RE GOING TO ADD THAT FOR 2026.

WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY HOW TO WORD THAT. BUT I SPOKE WITH CHRIS.

BUILT? YEAH. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I INTENDED IT TO BE.

OH, OKAY. I THINK. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN POINTING THAT OUT THAT IT'S BEEN A REALLY LOW NUMBER.

AND I'D LIKE US TO REALLY BE HELD TO ACCOUNT, SO TO SPEAK, ON HOW MUCH WE BUILD.

YEAH. GOT IT. WELL, SO MAYBE THAT DOESN'T APPLY.

BUT THEN ANOTHER MEASURE I WAS THINKING OF.

AND THEN ANOTHER ONE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, HOW MUCH ARE WE PAYING TO PAY, LIKE, PER MILE? WHAT DOES IT COST US PER FOOT OR.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT MEASURE IS, BUT MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER MEASURE WE COULD PUT IN SO THAT WE ARE SORT OF KEEPING TRACK OF THIS STUFF.

AND YOU KNOW, WHAT GETS MEASURED, GETS MANAGED AND JUST BEING AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

YEAH. I LOOKED AT THE THREE PAVING PROJECTS THAT WERE ON AN IRON HORSE TRAIL, AND IT WORKED OUT TO ROUGHLY $640,000 A MILE. SO JUST IN CASE ANYBODY'S WONDERING.

YEAH, AND JUST TO KIND OF TOUCH BACK ON YOUR COMMENT, I THINK YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WE DO HAVE A TERRIFIC AMOUNT OF IN-HOUSE STAFF ON ROADS AND TRAILS AND IN OUR TRADES GROUPS, YOU KNOW, THE TRADES THE ENTIRE TRADES DEPARTMENT IS I THINK ABOUT A STAFF OF 24 TRADESPEOPLE.

SO THAT'S CARPENTERS, PAINTERS, PLUMBERS. I MEAN, IF YOU SAW OUR OUR VFA INDEX, 894 STRUCTURES TO MAINTAIN.

STAFF CAPACITY IS AN ISSUE, FOR SURE. AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE COST OF CONSTRUCTION HAS RISEN DRAMATICALLY OVER THE YEARS.

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AND LIKE KATIE SAID, WE'RE NOT ADDING SEVEN STAFF MEMBERS TO DO IT.

BUT HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, OPEN THOSE LINES AND KEEP THOSE LINES OPEN ON HOW WE DELIVER PROJECTS FOR SURE.

I'M FEELING MY PAIN BASED ON YOUR PAIN. I KNOW YOU HAVE THIS INCREDIBLY TALENTED STAFF AND JUST SOME OF THESE NUMBERS I SEE, I JUST HOPE WE CAN AT SOME POINT, MAYBE I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE HAVEN'T IN THE PAST, BUT I THINK WE REALLY, REALLY NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS THAT AREN'T DONE BY A CONSULTANT, BUT JUST DONE BY PEOPLE BEING SMART. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SUGGEST IS THE EAST SHORE TRAIL AT LAKE CHABOT, WHICH I WALKED JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY, CONTINUES TO HAVE CRACKS THAT ARE NOW NOT THREE INCHES, BUT THEY'RE OVER AN INCH. SO THAT'S BAD QUALITY I WOULD MAINTAIN, AND I THINK THERE ARE RECORDS THAT SHOW THAT THE EAST SHORE TRAIL AND LAKESHORE ITSELF HAVE MORE HIKERS THAN EVERYBODY BUT ALAMEDA OR CROWN BEACH, I THINK.

SO WOULD IT BE WISER? AND I DON'T WANT AN ANSWER, I'M JUST SAYING, WHEN YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THIS, I KNOW IT'S A LOT MORE FUN TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR AND RUN A CONTRACT, BUT AT SOME POINT FILL IN A CRACK AND SEALING IT WILL GIVE IT A CERTAIN AMOUNT MORE LIFE, RATHER THAN JUST WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING AND WAITING UNTIL IT FAILS.

AND THEN WE SPEND $640,000 A MILE, OR IT'LL BE MUCH MORE AT LAKE CHABOT, BECAUSE.

OUR IN-HOUSE STAFF DOES GO OUT AND DO MAINTENANCE, AND THEY DO REALLY.

THE ROADS AND TRAILS TEAM, GENERALLY, IF IT'S LESS THAN A QUARTER MILE, A LOT OF TIMES THEY GO OUT AND PATCH PAVE AND DO THINGS LIKE THAT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S AN INCREDIBLE VOLUME OF WORK TO BE DONE.

SO THERE IS JUST THAT THERE. OKAY. THANKS. I´D JUST ADD IT'S NOT FUN FOR US TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR.

I THINK, LIKE 100% THIS ENTIRE TEAM, WE WANT TO SEE OUR TEAM DOING THAT WORK.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL DEDICATED TO. IT'S INSPIRING TO SEE OUR TEAM GETTING THAT WORK DONE.

THAT'S OUR PREFERENCE. SO WE DO THIS WHEN WE HAVE TO, BUT IT'S OUR PREFERENCE TO DO THIS WORK IN-HOUSE.

WELL, YOU GOT ANY MORE COMMENTS? I'LL COMMENT AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? NO PUBLIC COMMENTS. HEARING NONE. THIS IS AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM, BUT ANY COMMENTS TO FINISH UP? YEAH. SO I WAS VERY, VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT QUARTER INCH STANDARD PUT IN THERE BECAUSE OF ONE PARTICULAR INCIDENT THAT I WAS MADE AWARE OF LAST YEAR, WHERE A GENTLEMAN WENT DOWN ON HIS BIKE AND WAS HURT BECAUSE THE CRACKS WERE LIKE THIS WIDE, YOU KNOW? AND THIS IS DEFINITELY A CHANGE, I BELIEVE IN THE POLICY, AND IT'S FOR THE BETTER.

BECAUSE THIS FELLOW WAS AN EXPERIENCED CYCLIST AND HE WAS INJURED PRETTY SERIOUSLY.

SO I WANT TO BE ABLE TO, I PRESUME, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN PUBLISHED HERE, THAT I CAN CONVEY THIS TO MY CONSTITUENTS THAT GOING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TIGHTER STANDARD. WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX IT TOMORROW OR NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MONTH.

BUT WE'RE AIMING TOWARD THIS QUARTER INCH, AND THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ANY BICYCLE TIRE TO KEEP IT FROM GOING INTO THE CRACK IF YOU DO IT AT THAT WIDTH.

SO IS THAT A SAFE ASSESSMENT I CAN MAKE? YEAH, THAT'S HOW WE HAVE IT PROGRAMED WITHIN THE SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE MAINTAINING THIS AND TAKING THIS INFORMATION FROM. ALRIGHT. THAT'S GOOD. LET'S SEE.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS, I BELIEVE SOME OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON, LIKE, SAY, THE IRON HORSE TRAIL IS TO DO WORK ON PAVEMENT THAT WAS POORLY DESIGNED AND IMPLEMENTED.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE CROSS SECTION WAS TOO THIN AND IT DIDN'T LAST VERY LONG.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. I THINK SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, EXISTING PORTFOLIO WAS COMPLETED UNDER VARIOUS DESIGN STANDARDS AND IN VARIOUS CONDITIONS AND CONSTRUCTION METHODS WHEN IT WAS MADE.

AND SO, YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DO. SO WE'RE LEARNING THAT WHEN YOU PUT IT ON ADOBE SOIL, YOU BETTER PUT A BIG BASS ON IT AND GO IN THERE AND REDO IT SO THAT IT'S GOING TO LAST MUCH LONGER THAN THE PREVIOUS VERSION DID.

I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND I ALSO JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE WORK THAT WAS DONE ON THE IRON HORSE TRAIL, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT ANY OTHER PORTION, EXCEPT FOR SURE I KNOW AROUND IGNACIO VALLEY ROAD THAT THE TRAIL WAS MADE WIDER TOO.

AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS MAYBE A COUPLE OF FEET WIDER.

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SO, I MEAN, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE KIND OF OVERLOOKING IS, WE'RE NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING THE ASSET THERE. WE'RE IMPROVING IT AND MAKING IT A LITTLE BIT SAFER FOR THE USERS.

GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM TO WORK WITH.

AND I HOPE WE CONTINUE GOING TO THAT STANDARD ALL ALONG THE WAY SO THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF IMPROVEMENT ON A CONSTANT BASIS.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THAT PART OF IT, TOO.

AND LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL I CAME UP WITH HERE.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO ANYWAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE GREAT PRESENTATION TOO, AND ALL THE GREAT DATA YOU'RE COLLECTING.

I DIDN'T WANT TO SOUND NEGATIVE, BUT I JUST FIND IT SO AMAZING, ALL THESE BILLS SEEM TO BE PILING UP.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON, JUST, YOU KNOW.

WHAT I WAS SORT OF LIKE, MICHAEL DANIEL? WHY DO WE HIRE CONSULTANTS WHEN MICHAEL RIDES EVERY TRAIL? HE'S IN CHARGE OF PAVEMENT, RIDING A TRAIL. AND I THINK TALKING TO PARK STAFF, IT'S SO FUNNY, AND I HEARTILY ENDORSE RIP OUT THAT DARN NIMITZ WAY.

AND I REMEMBER 100 YEARS AGO WHEN NOBODY WAS EVEN ALIVE, I DON'T THINK, BUT I WAS IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I WAS ALSO WORKING ON THE ROADS AND TRAILS CREW.

AND THERE'S A PLACE. I DON'T REMEMBER IT, BUT A WAYS OUT, A COUPLE OF MILES OUT WHERE YOU RIDE ALONG AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE TRAIL, AND THEN YOU COME UP AND YOU CREST AND THERE'S THIS INCREDIBLE VIEW OF THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY OR MAYBE SAN PABLO, BECAUSE IT'S UP THERE NORTH. IT'S THE MOST INCREDIBLE VIEW IN THE WORLD. AND IT WAS SO FUNNY BECAUSE THE SUN COMES UP AND THE PAVEMENT GOES TO HECK.

FOR SOME REASON IT JUST SLUMPED LIKE CRAZY. AND I GOT CALLED TO A BICYCLE ACCIDENT THERE AND NOT ME, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MORE THAN ONCE. I DON'T KNOW, I WON'T NAME A NUMBER BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND OUTRAGEOUS, BUT THESE PEOPLE WOULD BE LOOKING OUT, GOING, YOU KNOW, RIDING UP A HILL AND THEN CRESTING AND GO, OH, LOOK AT THAT.

AND BAM, THEY'D CRASH. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THESE PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN HERE FOREVER.

SO THAT'S A TRAIL THAT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE A MUST HAVE WORKED WELL IN THE MILITARY WHEN YOU WERE DRIVING TANKS OUT THERE OR SOMETHING.

BUT THAT SHOULD BE A GRAVEL TRAIL. AND I HOPE YOU CAN GET THAT OUT OF THERE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I ALSO THINK THAT I KNOW YOU GUYS DO EXCELLENT WORK AND YOU WANT TO DO EXCELLENT WORK AND YOU ALWAYS DO THAT.

BUT AT SOME POINT I THINK WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT STUFF. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A FEW YEARS BACK, WE TALKED ABOUT STANDARD FOR CORPORATION YARDS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO DO HAVE MY KNEE SURGERY AT THE DUMBARTON QUARRY SHOP.

IT'S SO NICE. BUT THAT'S A STANDARD THAT'S REALLY, REALLY, REALLY HIGH.

AND I KNOW WE SHOOT FOR THE TOP, BUT IF WE DON'T PERCEIVE THINGS IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS GETTING BETTER OR WHATEVER WE PERCEIVE OR THE PROJECTIONS, MAYBE WE OUGHT TO REVISIT THAT. OH, AND SO THERE HASN'T.

I NOTICED SOMEWHERE IN THE LITERATURE THAT NOT MUCH OR NOT MUCH MONEY WAS SPENT ON RESIDENCES.

I HEARD A RUMOR THAT WE WERE GOING TO ELIMINATE 14 RESIDENCES NEXT YEAR.

IS THAT IN THE PLAN OR IS THERE SOME TALK OF ELIMINATION OF RESIDENCES? I DON'T MANAGE THE RESIDENCE PROGRAM, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP ON IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. THANKS. I THINK YOU NEED TO CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, EVEN IF THERE ISN'T ANY. I DID.

OH, HE DID.

NOT ON 5.A. OKAY, GREAT. THEN WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING QUARTERLY UPDATE.

GOOD MORNING, REN. THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING, DIRECTORS. REN BATES, DIVISION LEAD OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.

I'M HERE TO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY UPDATE ON JOB ORDER CONTRACTING.

THIS IS ON OUR CURRENT CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE.

I WILL GIVE A BRIEF BACKGROUND. I THINK I'VE REPEATED THIS SEVERAL TIMES, SO IF I SKIP OVER ANYTHING, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANT CLARITY ON, LET ME KNOW.

JOB ORDER CONTRACTING IS A PROCUREMENT METHOD THAT IS FIXED COST IN DETERMINANT QUALITY-QUANTITY.

THAT MEANS THAT WE WORK WITH THE GORDIAN GROUP AS OUR CONSULTANT THAT HELPS US MANAGE THIS, AND THEY PROVIDE US AN ANNUAL CONSTRUCTION TASK CATALOG, WHICH CONTRACTORS BID AND ADJUSTMENT FACTOR ON.

AND WE AWARD BASED ON THE LOWEST ADJUSTMENT FACTORS.

SO WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO DO IS TO DO CONTRACT WORK BASED ON THE FIXED COSTS THAT THEY BID UPON AND ALLOWS US TO DO PRICING.

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AND THE BOARD HAS APPROVED ALL THESE CONTRACTS SUCH THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RETURN ON EVERY TIME THAT WE ISSUE A NOTICE TO PROCEED.

SO THIS MOST RECENT ROUND OF CONTRACTS WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD ON APRIL 15TH OF THIS YEAR.

WE DID NINE CONTRACTS THIS GO AROUND. SO WE DID THREE A GENERAL ENGINEERING CONTRACTS, WHICH MEANS UTILITY WORK, PAVING WORK, GRADING WORK. THREE B GENERAL BUILDING CONTRACTORS, WHICH COULD DO HVAC, ROOFING, THINGS THAT'LL CORRELATE WITH BUILDING. AND THEN THREE GENERAL PAVING CONTRACTORS THAT JUST TRY TO SPEAK TO THE PREVIOUS ITEM.

SO THE GENERAL PAVING CONTRACTORS HAVE TO SELF-PERFORM WHAT WE FIND IN JOB ORDER CONTRACTING IS SOME CONTRACTORS WILL USE SUBS BECAUSE THEY MORE LIKE MANAGE IT.

AND IN ORDER TO PRECLUDE OR MAKE THE PAVING MORE PALATABLE, WE MAY PROVIDE THAT.

THE CONDITION OF THAT CONTRACT IS THAT THE CONTRACTOR HAS TO DO 60% SELF-PERFORMING.

SO THESE CONTRACTS ARE ALL VALID FOR A YEAR IN TERMS OF THE TERM OF THOSE.

THE START DATE COINCIDES WITH THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST NOTICE TO PROCEED OR THREE MONTHS AFTER BOARD AWARD.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR, THESE CONTRACTS WILL TERM OUT IN JULY OF 2026.

SO WE'LL PROBABLY BE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD IN THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR TO START ANOTHER ROUND, BECAUSE WE LIKE TO SORT OF HAVE OVERLAP WITH THESE.

THE TERM IS FOR JUST THE ISSUANCE OF NEW CONTRACTS.

SO IF WE'RE IN A JOB ORDER THAT WAS ISSUED PRIOR TO THE END OF THE TERM, THAT WORK CAN PROCEED, SO THAT THEY CAN COMPLETE THE WORK BASED ON THAT.

SO THIS IS OUR CURRENT JOB ORDER LIST. THIS IS IN THE PACKET.

THIS SHOWS THE WORK THAT WE HAVE GOING ON AND NOTICE TO PROCEED OR IN CONSTRUCTION AND THEN PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE FOR PRE PRICING AND IN REVIEW.

SO YEAH, THIS JOB ORDER CONTRACTING IS FOR RENOVATION REPAIR REPLACEMENT.

WE DON'T DO ANY NEW PROJECTS WITH THIS. SO AGAIN THIS IS A GOOD FOLLOW UP ITEM TO THE PREVIOUS ITEM THAT WAS JUST DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF RENOVATION AND PAVING. AND THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE GROUP UTILIZES THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING CONTRACTS AS WELL AS DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.

SO I HAVE SOME PICTURES NOW OF PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

I BELIEVE WE WENT OUT TO THE LITTLE HILLS POOL SEVERAL YEARS AGO ON A BOARD TOUR.

THIS WAS AN UNUSABLE SPACE, SO WE UTILIZED THE WATER CONTRACTOR TO DEMOLISH THE POOL, TAKE THE EQUIPMENT THAT WAS OFF THE CREEK BANKS OUT OF THE CREEK BANK SO THAT THOSE ARE NO LONGER THERE, BACKFILL THE SWIMMING POOL. AND THEN ULTIMATELY BECAUSE OF COST, WE HAD MUCH LARGER PLANS FOR THIS WHEN WE WENT OUT THERE FOR THE BOARD TOUR.

BUT NOW IT'S A FLAT SPACE WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF THAT THE CONCESSIONAIRE CAN USE.

SO WE'LL NOTE THE COLOR DIFFERENCE, BUT THAT'S JUST DUE TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS.

ON THE LEFT WAS THE PREVIOUS AND ON THE RIGHT IS NEW, SO IT WILL FADE JUST TO ADDRESS THE COLOR DIFFERENCE THERE.

WE TRIED OUR BEST. THIS IS WHAT WE COULD DO. BUT THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN ACCEPTED AND SO IT'S ACTUALLY DONE AND WE'VE COMPLETED THIS.

SO THIS IS READY TO GO AND THE CONCESSIONAIRE CAN START UTILIZING IT.

THE NEXT ONE WAS ANOTHER BOARD TOUR. WE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THE MARTIN LUTHER KING SHORELINE DECK.

THIS ONE IS IN PROCESS. THEY'VE DEMOED THE OLD DECK.

YOU CAN SEE IT'S SECURED, AND WE'RE WORKING ON SEEING WHICH OF THOSE.

NOW, THE EXPOSED FOOTINGS WE CAN REUSE AS PART OF THIS.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE JOB ORDER CONTRACTING BENEFIT, IS THAT SOMETIMES WE CAN THEN HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND REEVALUATE OUR SCOPE AS WE GET INTO IT, AND CAN SEE UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE HOPING TO UTILIZE SOME OF THOSE FOOTINGS THAT WE WEREN'T SURE IF WE COULD OR NOT.

ANOTHER PROJECT IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY HEADQUARTER.

ROOF ON THE LEFT IS PRIOR TO AND ON THE RIGHT AND THEN THE MIDDLE ARE AFTER.

AND SO THIS INCLUDED REPLACING THE ROOF AND DOING SOME HVAC IMPROVEMENTS.

I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO SAY WE'RE BUILDING A BUILDING OVER HERE. WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? SO I THINK PART OF IT IS THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE STAFF SHORTAGE. AND THIS IS AN ASSET THAT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED AND UPKEPT, AND THAT WE'RE NOT SURE WHO AS A DISTRICT IS GOING TO GO OVER HERE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SPACE THAT WILL NEED TO BE UTILIZED. AND SO WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THOSE.

EVEN THOUGH PUBLIC SAFETY IS MOVING OUT, OTHER STAFF WILL UTILIZE IT.

AND AS WE'VE HEARD, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IS AN ISSUE AND WE NEED TO UPKEEP WHAT WE HAVE.

SO THAT'S WHY THIS ONE HAS MOVED FORWARD. BUT IT LOOKS MUCH CLEANER, MUCH NICER.

ANOTHER PROJECT THAT I'M GOING TO SHOW IS ONE THAT IS NOT QUITE IN CONSTRUCTION. THIS IS ON THE ALBANY TRAIL, SAN FRANCISCO BAY TRAIL NEAR GOLDEN GATE FIELDS.

WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN SOME ROCK SLOPE PROTECTION PLACEMENT.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ROCK SLOPE PROTECTION PLACED HERE AS PART OF THE CONTRACT.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT IT GETS INUNDATED, AND WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR TRAIL HERE.

SO WE'LL PUT IN SOME ROCK. THIS ONE, WE'VE AGREED TO A PRICE AND THEY WERE HAVING A PRECONSTRUCTION MEETING I THINK,

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YESTERDAY. SO THIS ONE WILL START PRETTY SOON, JUST IN TIME FOR WINTER SEASON, WHICH IS GREAT.

THOSE ARE ALL THE IMAGES THAT I HAVE TO SHARE.

AT THIS POINT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROGRAM OR ANY PROJECTS ON THE LIST AS I AM ABLE.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS? PRECIOUS SHELTON.

IT'S NOT QUITE AFTERNOON YET. YES. GOOD MORNING, BOARD FINANCE COMMITTEE.

MY NAME IS PRECIOUS SHELTON. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF AFSCME LOCAL 2428.

AND I APPRECIATE THE DIALOG THAT WE'VE HAD THIS MORNING AS IT PERTAINS TO CONTRACTING OUT AND HAVING STAFF INTERNALLY DO THIS WORK.

I APPRECIATE YOU, ACTING GENERAL MANAGER KORTEN FOR WANTING TO DEDICATE, YOU KNOW, THIS WORK BEING DONE BY STAFF.

SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY HAVING SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING CONTRACTED OUT BE DONE INTERNAL, OR WE ADD MORE STAFF TO DO THE WORK INTERNALLY.

AFTER WATCHING YOUR PRESENTATION, REN, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE SHORELINE CENTER, MY FAVORITE PLACE TO RENT, I LOVE IT. I WOULD RENT IT TWO TIMES OVER, LIKE NEXT YEAR ALREADY.

I ALREADY GOT PARTIES IN MIND THAT I NEED TO RENT THAT FACILITY FOR.

BUT AS I LOOK AT THAT DECK AND, YOU KNOW, I SEE HERE WE PAY LIKE THE GORDIAN GROUP, LIKE $32,000 TO.

THAT WE'RE PAYING THE GORDIAN GROUP TO REMOVE THAT WORK.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO FUND A WHOLE POSITION, BUT MY POINT IS THAT WE'RE PAYING OUTSIDE FEES WHERE WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THOSE FEES COULD BE REALLOCATED TO STAFF.

SO THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, PRECIOUS.

NO OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU, REN, I APPRECIATE THIS UPDATE.

I APPRECIATE THESE GUYS DOING THIS WORK. I THINK IT'S A VERY EFFICIENT WAY OF DOING WORK.

AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE PAST. AND SO THESE NINE CONTRACTORS, HOW MUCH.

YOU MENTIONED IT, BUT DID THEY ALL WORK IT OUT? DID THEY LIKE THEY'RE COMING UNDER THE, WHEN DO WE SIGN THIS? IT'S BEEN NINE MONTHS.

THAT'S WHY WE DO MULTIPLE CONTRACTS BECAUSE WE DON'T USE ALL OUR CAPACITY, SO WE TRY TO FIND THE CONTRACTORS THAT WORK BEST WITH OUR DISTRICT.

SO WE ALWAYS HAVE A MIXED BAG. WE HAVE REPEAT PERFORMERS THAT COME BACK AND BID LOW AND CONTINUE TO DO WORK, WHICH IS. WE'RE WORKING, YES. BUT TO MAX'S EARLIER STATEMENT ABOUT CONTRACTORS, CONTRACTORS ARE CONTRACTORS.

SO SOMETIMES WE DON'T SEE EYE TO EYE AND WE HAVE TO RESOLVE THAT.

BUT OVERALL, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE HAVE GOOD CONTRACTORS.

THEY DO WORK. I THINK THEY WORK WELL WITH OUR TEAM.

I KNOW THEY WORK WELL WITH ECHO TEAM. I'LL LOOK TO THE MAST TEAM. I'M GETTING NODS. SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DELIVER ON A LOT OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY FOR AT A STAFF LEVEL.

JUST NOT TO SAY THAT THIS IS TRYING TO PRECLUDE ANYBODY FROM DOING WORK AT STAFF, BUT FROM THIS PRESENTATION IN THE LAST, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO HERE AT THE DISTRICT, AND THIS IS A WAY THAT I BELIEVE HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL OVER THE LAST 6 OR 7 YEARS AND HELPED US DELIVER ON SOME OF THAT BACKLOG. GREAT, THANKS.

I GUESS MY QUESTION REALLY WAS MORE DIRECTED TOWARD, ARE WE PROVIDING ENOUGH WORK FOR THESE GUYS AND I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF REPEATS, SO THEY MUST LIKE WORKING FOR US. ARE WE PROVIDING ENOUGH WORK FOR THEM? YEAH, I WOULD SAY YES, WE'RE PROVIDING ENOUGH WORK FOR THEM. GOOD.

THANKS. YEP. THANK YOU. WELL, THAT SEEMS TO BRING US TO THE END OF OUR DAY.

ANYTHING FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? FROM ANYONE, FROM THE PUBLIC.

IF NOT, HOPE TO SEE YOU ALL BEFORE, BUT HAVE A HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON.

AND THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR PRESENTATION.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.