[00:00:01] THESE ARE ALL GOOD DECISIONS. AND YOU CAN BE HEARD. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THIS BOARD EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING OF THE EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK DISTRICT FOR WEDNESDAY, APRIL 30TH, BEGINNING AT 11:04. WILL THE RECORDING CLERK PLEASE TAKE THE ROLL? [Roll Call] YES. PRESIDENT MERCURIO. DIRECTOR SANWONG HERE. DIRECTOR ECHOLS PRESENT CHAIR MERCURIO HERE. GENERAL MANAGER LANDRETH HERE. AND GENERAL BOURGAULT. GENERAL BOURGAULT. GENERAL COUNSEL. BOURGAULT, I LIKE IT. I KNOW TODAY'S MEETING IS BEING HELD PURSUANT TO THE BROWN ACT. STAFF IS PROVIDING LIVE AUDIO AND VIDEO STREAMING. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT MAY DO SO BY PROVIDING A COMMENT IN PERSON. JOINING LIVE VIA ZOOM WITH THE LINK PROVIDED ON THE AGENDA LOCATED ON THE DISTRICT WEBSITE. AND THERE IS SOMEONE IN THE ROOM. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S GOING TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON AN ITEM, [Public Comments on Items Not on the Agenda] NOT ON THE AGENDA OR ON THE AGENDA. SO I'M GOING TO ASK HER. YES, PLEASE DO THAT. THANK YOU. MISS SCHWARTZ, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY. MISS SCHWARTZ, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY, NOW. CAN NOW. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH. ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT ON AN ITEM THAT IS ON THE AGENDA? IF I COMMENT IT WILL BE ON THE NORTH BASIN STRIP, AND I, I DON'T KNOW, IT DEPENDS WHAT YOU SAY AT YOUR, AT THE REVIEW. OKAY. WELL IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT RAISE YOUR HAND. SO ALL RIGHT WE'LL GO BACK TO THE USE THE HAND RAISE. THANK YOU SO MUCH OKAY. BYE. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU. SO THE FIRST THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS APPROVAL. [Approval of Minutes] APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE BOARD EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEETING FOR FEBRUARY 26TH. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT? SURE. SO MOVED. OKAY. MOTION IS MOVED SECOND. I'LL SECOND. SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR? I I I. OKAY. CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. AND YOU DIDN'T REALLY SPECIFICALLY ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA, SO. OKAY, SO LET'S LET'S JUST DO THAT. YEAH, BUT THERE'S NOBODY ELSE THEN I GUESS. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. WE HAVE NO ACTION ITEMS, SO WE COME NEXT TO OUR FIRST OF TWO INFORMATIONAL ITEMS, [Informational Items] AND THIS ONE IS ON MCLAUGHLIN EASTSHORE STATE PARK, NORTH BASIN STRIP SHORELINE IMPROVEMENT PROJECT UPDATE. GOOD MORNING. DIRECTOR MERCURIO BOARD EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. CHRIS BARTON, RESTORATION PROJECTS MANAGER I'LL BE INTRODUCING THIS ITEM. THE NORTH BASIN STRIP PROJECT IS BUDGETED AND SCOPED THROUGH PRELIMINARY DESIGN. THIS INCLUDES ALSO INCLUDES CLIMATE ADAPTATION PLANNING THAT EXTENDS INTO BERKELEY MEADOW. THE PLAN WILL HELP THE PARK DISTRICT UNDERSTAND CLIMATE ADAPTATION APPROACHES FOR THIS AREA OF EASTSHORE STATE PARK. ALSO TO UNDERSTAND PARK DEVELOPMENT AND HABITAT RESTORATION POTENTIAL FOR THE PARK AND HOW MUCH THAT MAY COST. AND THIS INFORMATION ON COST WILL HELP INFORM THE PARK DISTRICT'S CAPITAL PROJECT PLANNING AND BUDGETING PROCESS. THE OTHER THING THAT THE PLAN IS GOING TO HELP THE PARK DISTRICT WITH IS ASSISTING WITH PLANNING AND COORDINATION WITH NEIGHBORING AGENCIES THAT HAVE DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING ON ALONG THE WATERFRONT. WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CIVIL ENGINEER PARK DISTRICT CIVIL ENGINEER SCOTT STOLLER, AND I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE PROJECT TEAM. THEY RECENTLY RECEIVED AN AWARD AT THE CALIFORNIA TRAILS AND GREENWAY CONFERENCE FOR THEIR APPROACH TO PUBLIC OUTREACH. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO SCOTT NOW. THANK YOU. CHRIS. BOARD MEMBERS, THE GENERAL MANAGER. LANDRETH. IT'S NICE TO BE HERE TODAY. SO THIS IS OUR SECOND TIME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. WE ARE HERE IN NOVEMBER. AND SO THIS IS A FOLLOW UP ON ON THAT PRESENTATION. TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT JUST TO REVISIT THE PROJECT OVERVIEW TALK ABOUT WHAT THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE TO DATE, WHICH WE RECEIVED A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT IN THE FALL. AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED FOR THE PROJECT. FOR ORIENTATION. THE NORTH BASIN STRIP IS A PORTION OF THE EAST SHORE. GENERAL. EAST SHORE STATE PARK, THAT IS LOCATED SOUTH OF THE TOM BATES REGIONAL SPORTS COMPLEX NEAR GILMAN STREET AND NORTH OF UNIVERSITY AVENUE ALONG THE [00:05:05] BERKELEY SHORELINE. IN THE FALL, WE COMPLETED A SERIES OF TECHNICAL STUDIES, CONDUCTED OUR FIRST ROUND OF PUBLIC OUTREACH PRESENTED TO YOU ALL. AND SINCE THAT TIME, WE HAVE DEVELOPED TWO CONCEPTS THAT WILL PRESENT TODAY. AND THEN FOLLOWING THIS, WE'LL MOVE INTO ASSEMBLING A PRELIMINARY DESIGN FOR THE PROJECT AND ANTICIPATE CONDUCTING SEQUA AS WELL. OUR PROJECT GOALS ARE FOURFOLD. FIRST AND FOREMOST, LOOKING AT HABITAT AND PUBLIC ACCESS IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THIS AREA. IT IS AN AREA THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEVELOPED AS AS PART OF THE THE SHORE STATE PARK AND THE, THE LAST REMAINING PARCEL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. WE WANT TO DO THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDANCE OF THE EASTSHORE STATE PARK GENERAL PLAN. AND OF COURSE, WHERE POSSIBLE, USING GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS. WE'RE VERY KEEN THAT WE ARE ALONG THE SHORELINE AND WE'RE DESIGNING FOR CLIMATE RESILIENCY AND VERY IMPORTANTLY, THAT ALL OF OUR PROJECT IS ACTIONABLE. SO WE'RE LOOKING CLOSELY AT OPERATIONAL AND, AND SOME OF THE BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE. THIS SLIDE IS A REMINDER WE PRESENTED THIS LAST TIME SHOWING YOU WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. SO LAST TIME THAT LITTLE RED SQUARE WAS ONE TO THE LEFT WHERE WE WERE PRESENTING TO YOU, THE BOARD EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, ABOUT THE TECHNICAL STUDIES AND PREPARATION FOR PUBLIC OUTREACH. THIS TIME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONCEPTS DEVELOPED AND A SUMMARY OF OF THAT PUBLIC OUTREACH. AND YOU CAN SEE ON THAT LOWER IN BLUE WILL BE GOING OUT TO THE PUBLIC SOON FOR THE SECOND ROUND OF PUBLIC OUTREACH. FOLLOWING THIS WE'LL BE COMING TO YOU AGAIN IN SEVERAL MONTHS IN THIS LATER THIS FALL TO REVIEW THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN AND TO RECEIVE INPUT BEFORE WE GO BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC FOR OUR FINAL ROUND OF INPUT OF OUTREACH. LOOKING AT IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THE HIGHLIGHT HERE IS REALLY JUST TO INDICATE THAT WE WILL BE GOING OUT TO OUR PROJECT ADVISORY GROUP AFTER THIS IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. MAY 14TH, I BELIEVE, IS OUR DATE FOR THAT. AND FOR THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR, I THINK AT THIS POINT IT'S JUNE 1ST, BUT WE NEED TO TO STILL FINALIZE THAT DATE. SO THE PUBLIC OUTREACH THAT WE CONDUCTED IN THE FALL WAS REALLY ROBUST FROM MY EXPERIENCE AND SOME OF OUR PREVIOUS WORK. WE HAD A NEW VOICES PARTNERSHIP, WHICH IS, AS CHRIS ALLUDED TO, A PROGRAM THAT WAS RECEIVED THIS AWARD AT THE TRAILS AND GREENWAYS CONFERENCE JUST A WEEK OR TWO AGO. AND THIS INVOLVED UPWARDS OF TEN ORGANIZATIONS AND SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE PART OF A COHORT THAT WAS REALLY AIMED AT INCREASING CAPACITY BUILDING AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE PARK DESIGN AND AND INPUT PROCESS, PARK PLANNING PROCESS. AND ONE OF THE I THINK THE SUCCESSFUL OUTCOMES OF THAT IS THE PARTICIPATION OF SEVERAL OF THOSE MEMBERS IN OUR FIRST ROUND OF, OF PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SEVERAL OF THEM JOINING OUR PROJECT ADVISORY GROUP AND OUR UPCOMING PUBLIC MEETING. SO THAT'S REALLY GOOD TO SEE. WE HAD A PROJECT ADVISOR GROUP, OUR STAKEHOLDERS, WHICH IS COMPRISED OF ABOUT 27 ORGANIZATIONS. SO A VERY ROBUST GROUP THAT HAVE BEEN PARTICIPATING IN THE EAST SHORE STATE PARK FOR FOR DECADES. SO REALLY GLAD TO HAVE SOME OF THAT CONTINUITY, AS WELL AS SOME NEW ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE A AN INTEREST IN THE WORK THAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE. AND THEN OUR TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHICH INCLUDES THE NEIGHBORING CITIES, BERKELEY AND ALBANY, CALTRANS AND SOME OF THE OTHER REGIONAL FOLKS LIKE THE, THE BAY, THE BAY TRAIL AND THE WATER TRAIL. SO REALLY A GOOD GROUP OF FOLKS THERE IN NOVEMBER. YEAH. OH, YEAH. SCOTT, I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW SOME OF THE AGENCIES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE PROJECT ADVISORY GROUP AND WHAT WHAT IS THEIR ROLE? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE ADVISING, BUT WHAT WHAT DO YOU DO EXACTLY IN THAT GROUP? YEAH. SO IT'S REALLY A IT'S A PREVIEW OF OUR PUBLIC MEETING ESSENTIALLY. SO IT'S IT'S KIND OF A SMALLER GROUP OF FOCUSED ADVOCATES THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED. AND SO WE HAVE THE AND THIS IS A VERY SHORT LIST OF MY MEMORY, BUT SOME MOUNTAIN BIKE GROUPS, [00:10:04] BIKE GROUPS THAT ARE LOCAL SESPE, WHICH IS THE CITIZENS FOR EAST SHORE STATE PARKS. FRIENDS OF FIVE CREEKS. SO THERE'S JUST A NUMBER THE AUDUBON BIRD ALLIANCE OR EAST BAY AREA BIRD ALLIANCE. SO SEVERAL GROUPS THAT ARE ARE LOCAL. IN IN MID-NOVEMBER WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 100 PEOPLE SHOW UP TO OUR PUBLIC WORKSHOP THAT WAS OUT ON SITE. SO THAT WAS GREAT TO SEE. AND THEN WE HAD LAUNCHED A SURVEY THAT HAD ABOUT 1000 RESPONDENTS. SO THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'LL, I'LL COVER SOME OF THOSE RESPONSES THAT WE GOT FROM THOSE OUTREACH EFFORTS AND THIS SLIDE IS REALLY LOOKING IT WAS A RESPONSE TO A QUESTION ON THE SURVEY THAT WAS ASKING WAS LOOKING AT THE THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED IN THE GENERAL PLAN AS ACTIVE RECREATIONAL ELEMENTS THAT MAY BE SUITABLE FOR THIS LOCATION. SO WE WANTED TO TAKE A TEMPERATURE CHECK ON THE PUBLIC OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAD BEEN PROPOSED BACK IN 2002. AND, AND SEE HOW THAT RESONATED WITH PEOPLE TODAY. AND REALLY WHAT WHAT CAME TO THE FOREFRONT, I THINK, IS WHAT WE SEE AT A LOT OF OUR PARKS IS REALLY AN INTEREST IN TRAILS COMFORT FACILITIES, RESTROOMS AND BENCHES. AND IN THIS LOCATION, SPECIFICALLY A WATERFRONT PROMENADE AND A WAY TO ACCESS THE WATER. BE CLOSE TO THE WATER TO TO GATHER. AND, YOU KNOW, RATED RELATIVELY LOW BUT STILL PROBABLY WILL WILL MAKE IT INTO THE PLAN IS PROBABLY SOME FACILITIES FOR PARKING. I THINK PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO ADMIT THAT THEY, THAT THEY DO ENJOY PARKING CLOSE TO, TO WHERE THEY RECREATE. SO YEAH. THE NEXT SERIES OF SLIDES REALLY LOOKS AT THE QUESTIONS THAT WE OPENED UP TO THE PUBLIC, BOTH IN OUR MEETINGS AND OUTREACH EFFORTS AND ALSO THE SURVEY. AND SO WHAT WE DID IS WE KIND OF ORGANIZED WHAT WE HEARD INTO SIX DIFFERENT COMMUNITY PRIORITIES. I WON'T READ THEM ALL OFF HERE, BUT THEY'RE THEY'RE THERE FOR YOU. AND I'LL, I'LL, I'LL WALK THROUGH THEM IN EACH OF THE SUBSEQUENT SLIDES. SO, I MEAN, THE PUBLIC IS REALLY INTERESTED IN CONSERVING AND ENHANCING THE HABITAT THAT IS ON SITE. AND SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE BAY THAT IS, YOU KNOW, BORDERING OUR, OUR SITE, BUT ALSO SOME OF THE UPLANDS WHERE SOME COMMUNITY GROUPS HAVE ENGAGED IN NATIVE PLANTINGS AND SOME RESTORATION IN THE UPLANDS, WHICH HAS BEEN APPRECIATED. BUT ALSO LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE HABITAT OBSERVATION OPPORTUNITIES WITH BIRDING AND THE PRESENCE OF LEOPARD SHARKS AND BAT RAYS. I WAS SENT A REALLY COMPELLING VIDEO FROM FROM FRIENDS OF FIVE CREEKS DOCUMENTING NEAR THE SCHOOLHOUSE CREEK OUTFALL YOU KNOW, DOZENS OF, OF LEOPARD SHARKS IN THE WATER. AND SO THAT WAS REALLY COOL TO SEE. AND SO THINKING ABOUT WAYS WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE OBSERVATIONAL AREAS FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC TO ALSO OBSERVE ON THESE SLIDES, THERE'S DOZENS OF QUOTES FROM OUR VARIOUS OUTREACH EFFORTS. I'M NOT GOING TO READ THEM, BUT THEY'RE THERE. THEY'RE JUST TO REALLY INDICATE THE THE OVERWHELMING RESPONSE THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE PUBLIC. PRESERVING THE MAGIC EXPERIENCE OUT THERE AND CURRENTLY YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A VERY RUGGED SHORELINE. AND THE PEOPLE WHO VISIT IT DO APPRECIATE THE SOLACE AND THE AND THE QUIET THAT THEY EXPERIENCE THERE. AND SO ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES IS TO, YOU KNOW, AS WE DEVELOP THE SITE, IS TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO PRESERVE SOME OF THOSE QUIET SPACES. AND I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, WITH 20 ACRES AND, AND SEVERAL HUNDRED OR THOUSAND FEET OF SHORELINE, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT. PEOPLE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE, THE WIND AND THE AND JUST THE, THE WILD CHARACTER OF OF PORTIONS OF THAT SHORELINE. A BIG THING IS IS SAFETY, COMFORT, ACCESS AND REALLY ACTIVATION, YOU KNOW, COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD A LOT IS YOU KNOW, A NEED AND A DESIRE FOR SOME OF THESE THIRD SPACES OF, OF COMMUNITY ACTIVATION AND GATHERING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, INFORMAL OR RELATIVELY FORMAL IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, US BEING ADJACENT TO THE SPORTS COMPLEX AND SO HAVING AN AREA FOR TEAMS TO, TO SPILL OVER AFTER GAMES OR PRACTICES TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A BARBECUE OR DIP THEIR TOES IN THE WATER OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO. [00:15:06] BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I BROUGHT UP IN OUR, OUR FIRST PRESENTATION IS THAT THIS SHORELINE EAST SHORE STATE PARK IS OUR SECOND MOST VISITED PARK IN THE DISTRICT THAT WE OBTAINED FROM OUR PLACER I DATA. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S REALLY A REGIONAL ATTRACTION. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST SPORTS FOLKS, BUT LOTS OF BIKE RIDERS AND TRAIL RUNNERS AND WALKERS. TAKE THE BAY TRAIL PAST THIS AREA. SO IT'S REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE AND BRING THE BAY TRAIL IN ALONG THE SHORELINE IN THIS AREA AND, AND REALLY ACTIVATE THE SPACE. CREATING A SOCIAL AND FRIENDLY SPACE TO ALL. AND SO I THINK I TOUCHED ON THAT, BUT BUT REALLY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ALL AGES SERVING THAT REGIONAL AUDIENCE ALL ABILITIES. AND SO REALLY THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE DESIGN ELEMENTS TO INVITE PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT ABILITIES TO TO, TO MAKE IT TO DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE SITE. CLIMATE RESILIENCY IS BIG. IN OUR LAST PRESENTATION, I DID SHOW THE IMAGE THAT'S THAT'S THERE ON THE RIGHT AND SOME OTHERS WHERE KING TIDES CURRENTLY LAP UP AND INUNDATE. THIS IS LOOKING AT THE VIRGINIA STREET EXTENSION, WHICH IS OUR SOUTHERN PROJECT BOUNDARY BUT ALSO ALONG THE NORTH SOUTH NORTH-SOUTH AREA ADJACENT TO THE BALL FIELDS. THERE'S A SMALL AREA THAT GETS INUNDATED DURING THOSE KING TIDES. AND SO THINKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, AREAS THAT WE MAY HARDEN OUR EDGES FOR CLIMATE RESILIENCY AND RAISE SOME ELEVATIONS AND THEN OTHER AREAS WHERE WE MAY INVITE THE, THE RISING TIDES INTO THE SITE AS APPROPRIATE. I THINK A BIG THING ON THIS SITE AND SEVERAL OTHER PARKS AROUND THE DISTRICT IS THE STRENGTH OF PARTNERSHIPS FOR STEWARDSHIP AND FOR MAINTAINING SOME RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. AND, YOU KNOW, ON THIS SITE IN PARTICULAR WE DO HAVE INFORMAL GROUPS THAT HAVE TAKEN UPON THEMSELVES TO KIND OF FIND THEIR NICHE TO IMPROVE THE SITE FOR FOR THEIR USE. WE'D LIKE TO WORK ON FORMALIZING THOSE ARRANGEMENTS IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING, BUT ALSO LOOKING FOR NEW PARTNERS WHO MAY SEE THIS SITE AS A AS A WAY TO FURTHER THEIR MISSIONS FOR FOR ENGAGING THE PUBLIC AND ENHANCING RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES. IT'S GOING TO DIVE INTO THE DIFFERENT CONCEPT ALTERNATIVES AT THIS POINT. WE'RE PRESENTING TWO ALTERNATIVES THAT REALLY BOOKEND APPROACHES. AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY ANTICIPATING IS THAT THE FINAL PRELIMINARY DESIGN WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE ONE OR THE OTHER, BUT SOME HYBRID. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE YOU TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT PROJECT ELEMENTS IN THAT LENS THAT THEY ARE RELATIVELY INTERCHANGEABLE. BUT THIS FIRST ALTERNATIVE THAT IS DENOTED AS GATHER. REALLY. WHAT WHAT SETS THIS ALTERNATIVE AS UNIQUE FROM THE OTHER. AND AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS LOOKING AT THOSE COMMUNITY PRIORITIES THAT I HAD TALKED ABOUT IS HOW THEY ADDRESS THEM. RIGHT? SO IN THIS ALTERNATIVE, WE'RE REALLY DELINEATING OUR ACTIVITY AREAS. SO WE HAVE DISTINCT HABITAT ZONES DIFFERENT SEPARATED FROM ACTIVE RECREATION ZONES. WE FOCUSED THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AREA OR GATHERING SPACE ALONG THAT NORTH SOUTH PROMENADE ALONG THE WATER. REALLY CREATING THAT AS A A PLAZA THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE SOME KIND OF DURABLE MATERIAL FOR GROUPS TO GATHER. THIS ALTERNATIVE HAS MORE HARDENED EDGES ALONG THE SHORELINE TO PROTECT FROM EROSION. AND REALLY WORKING WITH OUR, OUR PARTNERS TO, TO FOSTER SOME OF THE STEWARDSHIP ON SITE. AND SO THE NEXT SERIES OF SLIDES, WE'LL LOOK AT SEQUENTIALLY GOING DOWN FROM THE PROMENADE TO THE BIKE PARK AND THEN THE BUTTERFLY MEADOW. AND THEN I HAVE A FINAL SLIDE LOOKING AT THAT VIRGINIA STREET EXTENSION, WHICH IS THAT EAST TO WEST CONNECTION AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SITE. AND SO THIS SLIDE REALLY IS JUST IS MEANT TO KIND OF INTRODUCE THE THE PROGRAMING AND THE PHOTOS ON THE RIGHT ARE TO GIVE SOME SENSE OF, OF WHAT THE SITE MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND TO REALLY START TO, TO FOSTER SOME, SOME CREATIVE THINKING FOR WHAT [00:20:03] THE FUTURE OF THE SITE COULD BE. ALONG THAT PROMENADE WHAT IS SHOWN HERE IS YOU KNOW, REALLY A WIDE OPEN SPACE THAT HAS A DURABLE SURFACE LIKE A HARDENED EDGE, PERHAPS WITH STEPS THAT THAT GO DOWN INTO THE WATER TO INVITE PEOPLE TO DIP IN THEIR TOES OR ACCESS THE WATER AT THIS SPOT. WATER ACCESS TO THE BAY COULD BE ALONG THAT NORTHERN PIECE, WHAT WE CALL THE GILMAN STREET EXTENSION EITHER WITH A FLOATING DOCK OR JUST OFF THE SPIT. THAT'S THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE. THERE ARE FISHER PEOPLE OUT ON SITE NOW. AND SO THIS COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AN AREA THAT'S ENHANCED FOR, FOR FISHING AS WELL. BUT REALLY, IT'S IT'S MEANT TO BE KIND OF AN INFORMAL SPACE FOR GATHERING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME SEMI-ORGANIZED GROUPS COULD YOU KNOW, MEET HERE FOR RUNS ALONG THE BAY TRAIL OR BIKE RIDES OR, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A GROUP THAT'S GOING TO BE DOING COMMUNITY YOGA OR, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING REALLY THAT THAT THIS SPACE COULD, COULD HELP WITH THERE'S THE POTENTIAL TO HAVE EITHER TEMPORARY OR MORE PERMANENT CONCESSIONS, WHETHER IT'S FOOD TRUCKS OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT HAS ACCESS TO THE SITE. AND WHAT YOU CAN SEE WITH THAT CROSS SECTION ON THE BOTTOM IS WE WOULD BE RAISING THE ELEVATION OF THE PROMENADE TO BE RESILIENT TO SEA LEVEL RISE. WE WOULD BE TAKING A SPUR OF THE BAY TRAIL. YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR SITE AND THEN FINDING AN ALIGNMENT THROUGH THE PROMENADE AS WELL. MOVING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH AND FOCUSING ON WHAT COULD BE A BIKE PARK IN OUR RECTANGLE OF OUR SITE THERE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MODIFYING THE TOPOGRAPHY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE INTERESTING FOR, FOR BIKE RIDERS OF ALL SKILLS. AND, AND REALLY FINDING, MAKING THIS BE A PLACE WHERE YOUNG AND NEW RIDERS CAN BUILD SKILLS AND ETIQUETTE TO YOU UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE, YOU KNOW, OUR OTHER PARKS AND OUR OTHER TRAILS MORE SAFELY AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR OUR PARK GUIDELINES. WE WOULD BE. YEAH. SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PARTNERING, BUT HAVING THIS BE KIND OF A FOCUS ZONE. BUT THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, WITH THE TRAILS, DEPENDING ON HOW INTENSE THEY ARE, THEY ALSO LEND THEMSELVES TO KIND OF INTERPLANTING WITH NATIVE SPECIES. AND SOME OF THAT STEWARDSHIP COULD BE EXTENDED OUT BEYOND THE AREA AS WELL. AS WE MOVE FURTHER SOUTH, THIS IS WHERE SCHOOLHOUSE CREEK DAYLIGHTS. SO THIS IS THE THE BOTTOM SOUTH WEST, SOUTHEAST, I GUESS, PORTION OF THE SITE. AND IN THIS ALTERNATIVE ALONG, YOU KNOW, GOING ALONG WITH THAT IDEA OF HARDENED EDGES THIS ALTERNATIVE IT KEEPS THE, THE SCHOOLHOUSE CREEK AT AND ITS CURRENT LOCATION, BUT REALLY HIGHLIGHTS THE SOME OF THE NATIVE SPECIES THAT I MENTIONED WITH THE WILDLIFE, THE BAT RAYS, AND TRYING TO PROVIDE AN OVERLOOK TO TO THIS TO THE BAY IN THIS LOCATION. WE'RE THINKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF NAMED THIS THE THE BUTTERFLY MEADOW, THINKING ABOUT REALLY FOCUSING SOME NATIVE PLANTINGS AND DIRECTING THE STORMWATER RUNOFF ALONG AND MAYBE OVERTOP THE AREA WHERE THE PIPELINE IS TO KIND OF PAY HOMAGE TO WHAT IS HAPPENING UNDERGROUND. AND THIS COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE LIKE AN OUTDOOR PAVILION WITH INTERPRETIVE ELEMENTS SO THAT IT'S YOU KNOW, KIND OF A SELF-GUIDED. BUT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THE SITE, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING. AND ALSO SOME OF THE NATURE AND WILDLIFE THAT IS CURRENTLY PRESENT. AND WHAT YOU WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS ELEMENT ALSO IS LOCATING THE PARKING IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE. AND THAT'S IN CONTRAST WITH WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE. LOOKING AT THE VIRGINIA STREET EXTENSION. SO THIS IS A CONNECTION THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS. IT'S AN UNPAVED ROAD THAT THAT CONNECTS THE FRONTAGE ROAD TO MARINA BOULEVARD AND THE BERKELEY MARINA. CURRENTLY THERE IS IT GETS INUNDATED DURING KING TIDES. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS WHERE WE CAN ALLOW THAT WATER TO CONTINUE TO INUNDATE AND MIGRATE INTO THE BERKELEY MEADOW. IT'S ONE OF THE FEW PLACES, I THINK, WHERE WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HARDEN ALL OF OUR [00:25:05] SHORELINES THAT WE CAN YOU KNOW, ALLOW THE HABITAT TO TO CONVERT TO MORE BRACKISH AND PERHAPS SALTWATER AND TIDAL MARSH LONG INTO THE FUTURE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY OF BERKELEY BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN MAINTAINING ACCESS FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES ALONG THIS, THIS ROUTE AND ALSO PLANNING FOR THEIR SEA LEVEL RISE ADAPTATION FOR THE MARINA. AND THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THAT GO ALONG MARINA BOULEVARD ALSO. SO WE'RE IN CLOSE COORDINATION WITH THEM. BUT REALLY THE ELEMENTS WOULD BE RAISING THE TRAIL AND PROVIDING SHORT SEGMENTS OF BOARDWALK TO FACILITATE WATER FLOW. GOING TO MOVE INTO ALTERNATIVE TWO WHICH IS DUBBED THE HIGH TIDE SHORELINE. AND REALLY, I THINK THE, THE INTENTION WITH THIS IS THINKING ABOUT MORE SOFTER APPROACHES TO, TO THE SHORELINE AND MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY MANAGE OR TREAT, BUT BUT REALLY PULLING OUR TRAILS INLAND A LITTLE BIT AND ALLOWING THE, THE HIGHER TIDES TO INUNDATE AND, AND TO CONVERT SOME OF THAT SHORELINE OVER TIME. THE OTHER DISTINGUISHING FEATURE IS THE GATHERING SPACE HERE. YOU'LL SEE IN ORANGE. IT'S KIND OF THAT HORSESHOE CENTRAL BEACH. WE'RE WE'RE DENOTING IT. AND REALLY THE OTHER THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO ON THIS SITE IS TO MAKE THE ACTIVE RECREATION MORE MULTI-USE TRAILS. SO THIS IS KIND OF THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM THINKING ABOUT FORMALIZING A LOT OF THE, THE BOOTLEG TRAILS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE OR LOOKING FOR KIND OF NEW AND INTERESTING ALIGNMENTS. AND SIMILAR. WE'LL GO THROUGH A SIMILAR SERIES OF SLIDES LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT PROJECT AREAS., BUT AGAIN, THE PHOTO IS ON THE RIGHT. GIVE A SENSE OF CREATIVITY AND THINKING ABOUT HOW HOW THE PROGRAMING MIGHT LOOK IN THE FUTURE. I WILL TAKE A MOMENT JUST TO NOTE THAT IN THIS SCENARIO, THE PARKING IS ADJACENT TO PARKING THAT THE CITY OF BERKELEY CURRENTLY HAS SOUTH OF THE GILMAN BALLFIELD. SO THAT AREA THAT IS IN WHITE WITH THE P, IT'S THE EXPANDED PARKING FOR PARK VISITORS. SO LOOKING AT THE THE MARSH PROMENADE, I THINK ONE OF THE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH OUR CONSULTANTS AND, AND TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF IS HOW DO WE CREATE A PERSISTENT COBBLE BEACH, GRAVEL BEACH WHICH IS PRESENT AT THE VERY SOUTHERN END. SO WE HAVE KIND OF AN ANALOG THAT WE'RE WORKING FROM. BUT IT WOULD LIKELY INCLUDE A A SERIES OF ROCK GROINS SEQUENCED, WHICH PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY. WHAT YOU SEE IN THAT IMAGE IS KIND OF A SHORELINE GROIN OR LIKE, BUT COUPLED WITH KIND OF A NODE OR A GATHERING SPACE. SO IT COULD BE REALLY THINKING ABOUT HOW DO WE USE THOSE, THOSE NODES FOR KIND OF MULTI-BENEFIT THE BAY TRAIL AND THE ACCESS IS, IS PUSHED UP AGAINST THE EXISTING SLOPE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HAVING A SPUR BOARDWALK OR SOMETHING THAT THAT GOES OUT A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE WATER. BUT THEN COMES BACK TO THAT MAIN TRAIL THROUGH, THROUGH FAIR AND THEN AS WE MOVE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH, THINKING ABOUT THIS GATHERING SPACE THAT IS THE CENTRAL BEACH. NOT NECESSARILY BEACH. IT'S SHOWN AS WHAT IS SHOWN HERE LOOKS RATHER SANDY AND AND IT IS IN THEORY. BUT WHAT IS WHAT WHAT SEGREGATES IT FROM SOMEPLACE LIKE CROWN BEACH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS TO ELEVATE THE GATHERING SPACE AND THE SEATING SPACE THAT IS SHOWN HERE AS SAND. BUT IT COULD BE SOME OTHER SOFT MATERIAL, WHETHER IT'S TURF. BUT REALLY, THE IDEA IS TO HAVE AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE CAN LOUNGE AND THEN STEP DOWN TO THAT COBBLE BEACH, THAT GRAVEL BEACH TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE WATER. AND SO, YOU KNOW THAT AND SO THINKING ABOUT THIS GATHERING SPACE, MAYBE PROVIDING SOME SHADE AGAIN, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONCESSIONS, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, PERMANENT OR EPISODIC DEPENDING ON IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ANY PROGRAMING AT THE SITE. AND THEN JUMPING AGAIN FURTHER SOUTH TO SCHOOLHOUSE CREEK THIS, THIS ALTERNATIVE SHOWS DAYLIGHTING OF THE CREEK. [00:30:03] AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE WHAT I WANT TO GET ACROSS WITH, WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAYING DAYLIGHTING, BUT REALLY WHAT IT IS, IS INVITING THE, THE BAY FURTHER IN BECAUSE THIS IS A FULLY TIDAL AREA. AND SO THE OPPORTUNITY THAT, THAT IT PROVIDES IS CREATING, YOU KNOW, SMALL POCKET MARSHES ALONG THE FRINGES. BUT IT WILL BE YOU KNOW, FULLY TIDAL AND AND SO IT WON'T NECESSARILY BE LIKE A RIPARIAN ZONE, BUT BUT WE COULD HAVE A KIND OF A TRANSITION FROM MUDFLAT UP THROUGH AND INCLUDING TIDAL MARSH WITHIN THIS SITE. AND THEN THE OTHER ELEMENT THAT'S SHOWN IN ORANGE CROSSING THE OPEN WATER IS A CONNECTOR BRIDGE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE INCLUDED. SHIFTING TO THE VIRGINIA STREET EXTENSION. IN THIS ALTERNATIVE, WE'RE LOOKING AGAIN TO TO PULL THAT TRAIL ACCESS INLAND A BIT. AND THE ALIGNMENT THAT'S SHOWN IS REALLY THE HIGHER ELEVATION ZONE WITHIN THE BERKELEY MEADOW. AND THE BLUE THAT IS SHOWN IS REALLY AND THIS IS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE SLIDES, IS REALLY THAT, THAT LONG TERM. YOU KNOW, 2100 SEA LEVEL RISE PROJECTION. AND SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME FOR THIS AREA TO, TO BE QUITE WET. BUT IN THAT PLANNING, JUST THINKING ABOUT INCLUDING A SEGMENT OF BOARDWALK THAT WOULD FACILITATE FLOW OF WATER FROM, FROM THE BAY INLAND. I THINK THAT'S THE END OF THE ALTERNATIVES. I'M JUST GOING TO WRAP UP WITH TWO SLIDES HERE JUST TO REVIEW OUR NEXT STEPS. SO AS I MENTIONED LATER THIS MONTH, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING OUR SECOND ROUND OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH. AND AFTER THAT OUR GOAL IS TO ASSEMBLE INPUT FROM THE BOARD AND OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND COMMUNITY AND OUR OTHER TECHNICAL TECHNICAL ADVISERS INTO A INTO A PRELIMINARY DESIGN THAT WE WILL BRING BACK TO YOU ALL IN SEVERAL MONTHS TIME. AND THAT IS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. I WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS JUST MAKES IT A SEPARATE OR TOGETHER. I'LL JUST MIX IT UP. MEANING DO THEM SEPARATE. DO NO. DO IT. DO IT ALL, DO IT ALL. ALL RIGHT. KEEP THE RULES STRAIGHT HERE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SCOTT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. THERE'S A LOT OF WORK GONE INTO THIS, AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE TEAM ON RECEIVING THE AWARD FOR OUTREACH. AS YOU KNOW, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE OUTREACH EVENT LAST FALL. AND IT WAS IT WAS REALLY WELL DONE. AND THEY WERE JUST THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE, A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT. I LIKED HOW EVERYONE GOT TO POST, POST THEIR IDEAS ON ON THE, ON THE WALL, SO TO SPEAK, AND DO THE SURVEYS AS WELL. SO I THINK YOU'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD INPUT. SO I WAS CURIOUS. SO MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT I TALKED TO, SO THIS IS JUST ANECDOTALLY, THE PEOPLE WHO APPROACHED ME AND PROVIDED THEIR OPINION ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO LEAVE THINGS MORE OR LESS THE WAY THEY ARE. I MEAN, CERTAINLY DO THE UPDATES LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT BATHROOMS, PEOPLE WANT BENCHES, MAYBE REPAIR THE TRAIL A LITTLE BIT. BUT I THINK WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT, THAT THAT SORT OF MORE RUGGED BEACH AND, AND SOLACE AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY FEEL A WILD PLACE. CERTAINLY. THAT'S THE SENSE I GOT FROM PEOPLE. SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO MENTION THAT. BUT I WAS ALSO CURIOUS BECAUSE I WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE THE SLIDE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE? AND THEN IN, IN THE, IN ALTERNATIVE ONE, YOU HAVE A BIKE PARK. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE NOTHING AGAINST BIKE PARKS, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS, DID THAT BUBBLE UP THROUGH THE THROUGH THE INPUT OR HOW DID THAT HOW DID THAT IDEA COME, COME ABOUT. SO THE SO THAT SLIDE AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER TO GIVE A DIFFERENT HEADER, MORE, MORE CLEAR HEADER FOR THAT SLIDE BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT WAS DENOTED, WHAT WAS NOTATED IN THE GENERAL PLAN. AND SO BACK IN 2002 THAT WAS NOT CONCEIVED AS AS AN ALTERNATIVE AS, AS A PROJECT ELEMENT. AND SO IT YEAH, SO IT BUBBLED UP FROM THE COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESS. AND SO THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T SHOWN ON THAT SLIDE. OKAY. GOT IT. THAT THAT IS VERY HELPFUL. OKAY. SO I HAD A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS. SO IF THERE WERE TO BE SOME TYPE OF BEACH THERE, AS IN THE SECOND PLAN OR I MEAN, [00:35:05] EVEN TO SOME EXTENT THE FIRST PLAN, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE, LIKE MY DAUGHTER WILL GO SWIMMING ANYWHERE. BUT IS HOW IS THE WATER QUALITY IN THAT LITTLE STRETCH THERE? YEAH. SO THE WATER I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE TEST THE WATER QUALITY IN THAT AREA. YOU KNOW, I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FAIR NUMBER OF ACTIVE WATER USERS UP AT ALBANY BEACH. SURE. AND SO I BELIEVE THE WATER, I MEAN, THE WATER QUALITY SHOULD BE RELATIVELY SIMILAR. YEAH. WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS MORE IT'S CLOSER TO THE MARINA. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW PEOPLE SWIM OFF OFF THE SHORE. THE SHOREBIRD PARK IN BERKELEY. I DON'T KNOW HOW SAFE THAT IS, BUT PEOPLE DO IT. SO DEFINITELY IF WE'RE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING A BEACH THERE, WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN CONCERNS ABOUT QUITE A BIT OF POLLUTION, TOXICS NEAR THE BASE OF SCHOOLHOUSE CREEK WITH JUST SORT OF YEARS OF SEDIMENT COMING DOWN. AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, STRETCHING BACK TO A TIME WHEN WE WEREN'T REGULATING THOSE THAT RUNOFF AS WELL AS WE ARE NOW. SO. SO I MEAN, I AND I DON'T KNOW. SO IF SO, IN EACH PLAN, OR WOULD WE BE IF WE OPEN UP SCHOOLHOUSE CREEK, WOULD WE BE REMOVING ANY OF THAT SEDIMENT OR JUST LEAVING IT WHERE IT IS? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DEBATE ABOUT WHAT WHAT IS BEST TO DO. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, JUST KEEP THE SEDIMENT THERE, KEEP THE TOXICS EMBEDDED IN THE SEDIMENT, BECAUSE IF YOU START MOVING AROUND, THEY RELEASE INTO THE WATER. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. THAT'S THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT AND A SERIOUS CONSIDERATION. AND SO. YEAH, ANY OF THE MATERIAL FROM THERE WOULD NEED TO BE OFF HAULED. YOU KNOW, SO IT WOULD BE EXCAVATED AND LIKELY OFF HAULED. AND THERE COULD BE CONSIDERABLE COST FOR HAZMAT OR, OR ANYTHING THAT'S UNKNOWN AT THIS POINT. OKAY. I WAS CURIOUS, TOO, WHEN YOU SAID THAT THIS IS THE SECOND MOST VISITED PARK. DO YOU MEAN MCLAUGHLIN EAST SHORE AS A WHOLE. OKAY. SO NOT JUST THIS SITE. SO IT'S THE WHOLE STRETCH. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THE FIRST MOST VISITED PARK? CROWN BEACH. CROWN BEACH. OKAY. OKAY, COOL. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE? OKAY. I THINK THOSE ARE MY MAIN QUESTIONS FROM NOW. CERTAINLY. WHAT YOU'VE LAID OUT HERE. I LIKE ALTERNATIVE TO BETTER MYSELF. I FEEL LIKE IT MAKES THE PARK MORE ACCESSIBLE AND MORE YOU KNOW, SORT OF MORE WELCOMING, BUT STILL RETAIN SOME OF THAT WILD SPIRIT. ALSO, I DO LIKE THERE WAS AN ELEMENT, I THINK, THAT WAS IN THE ALTERNATIVE ONE AROUND THE HAVING SEPARATION FOR HIGHER SPEED BICYCLES VERSUS. AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE I KNOW CERTAINLY IN IN PLACES WHERE EVERYBODY'S ALONG THE COAST ALONG LIKE ALBANY, FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE BIKES GO REALLY, REALLY FAST. THE LAST TIME I WAS WALKING THERE, I ALMOST GOT HIT TWICE, AND I WAS ALL THE WAY OVER ON THE SIDE. BUT FORTUNATELY, OTHER BICYCLISTS CALLED OUT AND THEY'RE LIKE, LOOK OUT! YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S IT'S YEAH, IT'S NICE TO BE ABLE TO WALK ALONG A TRAIL AND NOT HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET SOMEWHERE IN A HURRY OR THEY'RE TRYING TO REALLY YOU KNOW, REALLY MOVE QUICKLY ON A, ON A BIKE FOR EXERCISE AND ALL OF THAT'S GOOD AND FAIR. AND, YOU KNOW, I WANT PEOPLE TO USE THE PARK, ALL USE THE PARKS THE WAY THEY WANT TO USE THEM. BUT IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE A TRAIL WHERE IT'S MORE DESIGNATED AS HIGH SPEED VERSUS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THIS OTHER TRAIL THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT'S NEXT TO THE WATER WHERE, YOU KNOW, WALKERS AND MAYBE PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST DOING A LEISURELY BICYCLING OR, OR HAVE THEIR KIDS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THAT I DO LIKE THAT IDEA. WHICHEVER WAY WE WHICHEVER WAY WE GO, ULTIMATELY. SO THAT'S I GUESS THAT'S IT FOR ME FOR NOW. SO I'LL LET YOU GUYS GO AHEAD. YEAH, YEAH, THIS IS GREAT. IT'S REALLY NICE TO SEE ALL THE THOUGHT AND DETAIL AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT GOES INTO YOU KNOW, PUTTING TOGETHER THESE TWO ALTERNATIVES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M READING IT RIGHT. SO THERE'S TWO ALTERNATIVES. AND THEN EACH OF THE SUBSEQUENT SLIDES THAT YOU WENT THROUGH WERE THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF EACH ALTERNATIVE. SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S WITHIN EACH ALTERNATIVE OPTION THERE'S YOU KNOW, OPTION A, B AND C IT'S ALL ONE ALTERNATIVE ONE ALL ALTERNATIVE TWO. TO. YEAH, YEAH. SO THOSE ARE THE ELEMENTS FOR EACH ALTERNATIVE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THAT THEY CAN BE THOUGHT OF A LITTLE BIT AS LIKE A LA CARTE. RIGHT. SO YEAH. YEAH. WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO PICK ONE. YEAH. YEAH. SO I THINK WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE THE FULL BOARD ON YOUR TIMELINE IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, [00:40:02] MAYBE JUST TO MAKE SURE TO MENTION THAT, THAT THERE CAN BE SOME A LA CARTE ASPECT OF THE ELEMENTS AND THERE MIGHT ALSO BE GOOD AND PROBABLY YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TODAY, BUT WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE THE FULL BOARD, AN ESTIMATE OF THE COSTS OF EACH OF THE A LA CARTE ESTIMATES WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL TO, TO SEE AS WE'RE MAKING THAT DECISION. AND THEN THE OTHER TWO AREAS THAT I THINK WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE THE FULL BOARD WOULD BE TO UNDERSTAND. SO, SO THE BAY TRAIL IS NEXT TO THIS PARCEL I'M SEEING HERE ON THE MAP. SO JUST TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE ON THE BAY TRAIL, BEACH, I THINK. DIRECTOR ECHOLS KIND OF TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS IN REGARDS TO HOW IT'S ALREADY PRETTY MULTI-USE AND THERE'S A LOT OF BIKES AND IT'S PRETTY IT SOUNDS LIKE IT CAN GET THERE CAN BE SOME, SOME TRAFFIC JAMS OF THE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES HAPPENING ALONG THE BAY TRAIL. YEAH, I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY CALL IT TRAFFIC JAMS. I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH ANYTHING SOME PEOPLE ARE MORE CONSIDERATE THAN OTHERS. SO I WOULD SAY THE BY FAR THE MAJORITY OF THE BIKERS ON THAT TRAIL WERE VERY RESPECTFUL. AND THEY DID CALL OUT OR SAY HELLO. BUT BUT TWICE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH I WAS LIKE ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE EDGE ON THE SIDE THAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE WALKING A BICYCLE BICYCLIST CAME UP BEHIND ME. UNFORTUNATELY, ANOTHER BICYCLIST CALLED OUT, SO? SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO ABOUT THAT. THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE WHO JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST IN THEIR OWN WORLD. BUT IT IT IT'S, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HIT BY A HIGH SPEED BIKE WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR LANE, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES AS A PEDESTRIAN. SO? SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT. YES. I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL TO SEE AS WE'RE MAKING THE DECISION. JUST WHAT'S WHAT WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS IS OF THE BAY TRAIL RIGHT NEXT DOOR. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THIS DECISION MAKING, IF IF THERE IS AN OPTION TO HELP MAKE THE EXPERIENCE ALONG THE BAY TRAIL, YOU KNOW, MORE FRIENDLY THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER AS PART OF THIS DECISION MAKING PROCESS. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND IN OUR PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT KIND OF DESIGN ELEMENTS TO ENCOURAGE THOSE HIGHER SPEED BICYCLERS TO STAY ALONG THE CURRENT ALIGNMENT THAT'S ON THE FRONTAGE ROAD AND, AND INVITE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH SIGNAGE OR DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT SLOWER PACE THROUGH THROUGH THE TRAIL ALONG THE SHORELINE. YEAH. AND AND ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S THE CURRENT STATE OF THE BAY TRAIL. AND THEN I SAW YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE CITY OF BERKELEY. LEVY AND THE FUTURE CITY OF BERKELEY PICKLEBALL COURTS. AND SO I THINK ALSO, AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MAKING THIS DECISION, MAYBE HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTEXT OF WHAT CITY OF BERKELEY'S PLANNING ON DOING IN THIS AREA, HOW LIKELY IT IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE THE LEVY AND OR PICKLEBALL COURTS, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER THINGS. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT I SAW AS I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE MAPS. BUT THAT'S JUST HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER, HOW IT MIGHT FIT IN. AND THEN I GUESS I ALSO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT AND I THINK I ASKED THIS THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. SO DO WE OWN THIS LAND OR IS THIS PART OF EAST OR EASTSHORE STATE PARK, OR IS IT OWNED BY STATE OF CALIFORNIA? I THINK WE OWN THIS LAND. I THINK WE HAVE A FRACTIONAL OWNERSHIP. OKAY. AND YEAH. CORRECT. UNDIVIDED INTEREST. UNDIVIDED INTEREST. I'M NOT ACTUALLY SURE WHAT THAT MEANS. IT'S OKAY. YOU KNOW WHAT? ACTUALLY I DON'T NEED THAT FOR TODAY. THIS IS INFORMATIONAL. SO THAT MIGHT ALSO BE A GOOD ASPECT TO INCLUDE MAYBE THE OWNERSHIP OF THIS LAND WHEN THIS COMES BEFORE THE FULL BOARD. AND THEN MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAD BEEN ON THIS LAND BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE SOME BIG FACTORY, OR WAS THIS WHERE I THINK WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS, OR WERE THERE SOME ITEMS THAT MAYBE WERE LEFT HERE IN KIND OF ALMOST LIKE A LANDFILL TYPE OF CAPACITY? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. YEAH. SO WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. BUT I THINK WHEN THIS COMES FORWARD, WHEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, THOSE ARE HELPFUL ELEMENTS TO INCLUDE. AND THEN THE LAST ONE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I KIND OF ZEROED IN A LITTLE BIT ON THE BIKE PARK, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME OF THE JUMPS. AND WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND WITH THAT. THESE ARE VERY POPULAR. WE HAVE ONE AT SHADOW CLIFFS, THE BMX BIKE. IT'S CURRENTLY OPERATED AND MAINTAINED BY CITY OF PLEASANTON, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY ON LAND THAT WE OWN AT EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK DISTRICT, AND IT'S A LONG TERM LEASE. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. I READ THIS IN A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE LONG TERM LEASE WITH CITY OF PLEASANTON, WHICH I THINK WILL BE COMING UP BEFORE 2030, SO MAYBE AROUND 2028. SO JUST BE INTERESTED TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THIS AT OYSTER OYSTER BAY SHORELINE ABOUT HAVING A BIKE PARK THERE. SO IT MIGHT BE GOOD AT SOME POINT TO KIND OF PUT TOGETHER JUST HOW POPULAR THESE BIKE PARKS, HOW EXPENSIVE ARE THEY TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN? WHAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, LIABILITY CONCERNS? BECAUSE I KNOW I'VE HEARD SOME CONCERNS FROM CITY OF PLEASANTON IN REGARDS TO THAT BMX PARK BIKE AT SHADOW CLIFFS, WHICH IS ON LAND THAT WE OWN HERE. SO THAT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL TO KNOW, BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT BIKES ARE SUPER POPULAR IN BERKELEY AND ALONG THE SHORELINE [00:45:07] AND THROUGHOUT THE EAST BAY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE MAKING A DECISION, IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW THAT DETAIL. I THINK I AGREE WITH DIRECTOR ECHOLS. I DO TEND TO PREFER ALTERNATIVE TO I LIKE THE IDEA OF DAYLIGHTING A CREEK. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE MAKING THIS DECISION, I DON'T WANT TO RULE OUT ALTERNATIVE ONE EITHER. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, THE THING THAT THE THING THAT STRIKES ME ABOUT THIS IS IT'S NOT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN MANY OTHER PARKS THAT WE HAVE. LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. AND IT'S DIFFERENT IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT WAYS. ONE IS IT'S IT'S VERY HEAVILY USED. LIKE AS YOU SAY, IT'S IT'S REALLY AND I GOT THE TRIVIA QUESTION WRONG IN MY MIND, I THOUGHT TILDEN WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT ONE, BUT IT'S NOT. WELL, THEN YOU THINK ABOUT CROWN BEACH, AND THE BEACH IS JUST FULL OF PEOPLE ALL SUMMER, SO. YEAH. BUT TILDEN MUST BE THIRD, I GUESS, I'M GUESSING. NO, WE DON'T WANT TO GET TANGLED UP IN THAT. I GOT TRIVIA ON THE MIND ON MY MIND RIGHT NOW. BUT, YOU KNOW, ALL ALL THOSE ALL THOSE FOLKS COMING DOWN THERE AND THE REASON THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE COMING DOWN BECAUSE IT'S SO CONVENIENT TO WHERE THE POPULATION CENTER IS, YOU KNOW. AND SO YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. WHEN I HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I SAY, DON'T JUST FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, THOSE PARKS UP IN THE HILLS. I MEAN, WE HAVE SO MUCH ACCESSIBILITY ON A 55 MILES OF SHORELINE THAT WE MAINTAIN OR MANAGE THAT. AND THIS IS A KEY PIECE OF IT. SO I COMPLETELY IN SUPPORT OF ALL THE OUTREACH THAT'S BEEN DONE. APPARENTLY THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS AND GROUPS HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS, AND I THINK THAT'S COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN OBVIOUS PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO GO, AND IT'S GOOD FOR THEM TO GET THERE. SO I ALSO KIND OF PICKED UP THAT PICKED UP ON THAT. IT SEEMS TO BE INFORMED INPUT. I MEAN, THOSE SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS WERE FROM NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, SAND IS NICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THESE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO SEE. AND I AND I APPRECIATE THAT FROM, FROM THE USERS, I REALLY DO. I MEAN, IT'S IT HELPS US. AND I'M GLAD THAT THEY'RE TAKING THE TIME TO BECOME ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS. SO SOMETHING ABOUT OUR PROCESS IS ENGAGING, AND I THINK THAT'S GOOD. SO LOTS OF INPUT, LOTS OF INFORMED INPUT. I ALSO WAS KIND OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW I WOULD CHARACTERIZE THIS WHEN IT'S COMPLETED, AND I WOULD I CAME UP WITH A CURATED NATURAL SPACE. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY NATURAL. WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME THINGS TO IT, BUT IT'S STILL A NATURAL SPACE. BUT IT'S IT HAS SOME ELEMENTS THAT ARE ELEMENTS THAT WE MAINTAIN AND ELEMENTS THAT ARE PROVIDED BASED ON INPUT THAT WE'VE GOTTEN. SO I LIKE THAT WHOLE IDEA. I THINK I'D PROBABLY GO ALONG WITH MY COLLEAGUES HERE ABOUT ALTERNATIVE TWO, BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HARDENED EDGE. YOU KNOW, I'M ASSUMING IT'S NOT GOING TO BE JUST RIP RAP, RIP RAP DUMP THERE. BUT EVEN STILL, EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE I THINK THE MESSAGE THAT'S PROBABLY BEING RECEIVED IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S OTHER PLACES WHERE WE CAN HAVE HARDENED EDGES, BUT MAYBE THIS PLACE DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE THAT. AND THEN FINALLY THE THE BAY TRAIL I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING DIMENSIONS NECESSARILY HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WE HAVE A LOT OF PAVED BIKE TRAILS THAT ARE TEN FEET WIDE. AND BASED ON WHAT I'M LEARNING AND WHAT I'M OBSERVING IS THAT'S AN ANTIQUATED STANDARD. THIS CERTAINLY WE'RE WAY BEYOND THAT HERE. EVEN IF YOU HAVE TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE TRAILS, WE'RE INTO LIKE 15 TO 20 FOOT RANGE HERE NOW. SO AND I KIND OF PICKED UP ON SOME OF THAT AT THE TRAILS CONFERENCE LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT HOW COMMON IT IS NOW TO BE BUILDING 15 FOOT WIDE TRAILS AND MORE, YOU KNOW, SO AND THEN THEY START GETTING INTO THE CATEGORY OF PROMENADE WHEN THEY'RE THAT WIDE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU REALLY GOT A GRADIENT OF, OF USERS BASED ON SPEED. AND I THINK THEY TEND TO, TO SHAKE OUT BY, BY SPEED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ON THE EDGES THERE'S THE FASTER ONES AND THE, SOME OTHER EDGES AT SLOWER ONES. BUT I THINK DISPERSION OF USAGE IS A WAY TO SOLVE THAT, THAT CONFLICT, POTENTIAL CONFLICT THAT WE MIGHT HAVE. SO ANYWAY, THAT LOOKS GREAT. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY, VERY POPULAR, EVEN MORE POPULAR THAN IT IS NOW. AND THERE'LL BE LOTS OF LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES AND THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE COMMENT AS WELL. [00:50:06] YOU MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING WHEN YOU SAID PROMENADE. FOR SOME REASON, IT MADE ME THINK OF VENICE BEACH, AND THIS MIGHT BE HELPFUL. ALSO, JUST LIKE TO THINK ABOUT COMPARATIVE EXAMPLES. SO I KNOW VENICE BEACH IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA THERE'S TWO TRAILS, ONES FOR BIKES, ONES MORE FOR WALKERS, DOG WALKERS, STROLLERS. BUT IT'S TRUE. NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO THAT. AND SO IT JUST MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL TO TO UNDERSTAND WHEN, WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS DESIGNED, HOW MUCH IS IT BEING FOLLOWED OR NOT FOLLOWED. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT CAN ALSO BE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. YEAH, THAT'S A POINT WELL TAKEN AND I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT. SAN DIEGO HAS SOME STUFF LIKE THAT TOO. THAT'S. YEAH. VERY CONGESTED. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC? I JUST HAVE ONE. OH, SURE. YEAH. YEAH. BECAUSE TALKING ABOUT THE PROMINENT REMINDED ME OF ONE OTHER THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT. BECAUSE I NOTICED IN THAT ORIGINAL SLIDE, QUITE A FEW PEOPLE SAID PROMENADE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT. I THINK WHEN PEOPLE SAY PROMENADE, THEY MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS IN THEIR HEAD. SO WE MIGHT MIGHT WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY MEAN, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE THINK OF A PROMENADE AS JUST A A WIDE PLACE TO STROLL ALONG THE BEACH AND OTHER PEOPLE THINK OF SORT OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE A MORE OF A COVERED THING OR DECORATED THING OR, OR EVEN SOMETHING WITH SHOPS OR WHATEVER. SO, SO I JUST, JUST A CAUTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WORD MIGHT MEAN A NUMBER OF THINGS. IT DOESN'T REALLY CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THE DISCUSSION, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT WHAT PEOPLE MEAN WHEN THEY SAY THAT AND MAYBE LIKE PLAZA, MAYBE. YES, THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S ALSO CONFUSING, BUT MAYBE THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE. YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY IS. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH I APPRECIATE THAT. AND JUST ONE CLARIFICATION I WANT TO MAKE ON THE IDEA OF A HARDENED EDGE. AND ALTERNATIVE TO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE KIND OF STEPPING BACK A LITTLE BIT FROM, FROM THE, THE EDGE OF THE SHORELINE. BUT CURRENTLY AND I BROUGHT THIS UP, I BELIEVE, AT THE LAST PRESENTATION. BUT I'LL JUST REITERATE IT IS THE CHARACTER OF THE SHORELINE CURRENTLY AS LIKE THE FURTHER NORTH AREA WHERE WE'RE CALLING THE PROMENADE OR THE PLAZA IS CURRENTLY PROTECTED BY HISTORIC DUMPING OF BASICALLY CONCRETE WASTE FROM TRUCKS. SO THEY WOULD JUST KIND OF COME BACK AND DUMP. AND SO IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A MOONSCAPE, BUT IT IS A PROTECTED SHORELINE. AND THEN AS WE MOVE FURTHER SOUTH, THERE IS SOME RIPRAP. AND THEN AS WE MOVE FURTHER SOUTH MAYBE THE LAST THOUSAND FEET OR SO, IT'S UNPROTECTED SHORELINE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING SOME EROSION OF THAT FILLED LAND. AND SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE, WE'RE I HAD CALLED IT AS ONE IS MORE HARDENED THAN THE OTHER. WE WILL NEED TO LOOK AT REALLY PROTECTING THAT EXISTING LANDFILL IN PLACE. AND SO THERE WILL BE YOU KNOW, LIKELY SOME, SOME LARGE ROCK OR OTHER OTHER ELEMENTS, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, POINTS OF ACCESS TO THE WATER THROUGH THAT. AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT ALTERNATIVE ONE WAS SHOWING WAS MAYBE A MORE INTENTIONAL WAY OF KIND OF STEPPING DOWN TO THE WATER WITH WHETHER IT BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, LARGE, LIKE LONGITUDINAL CONCRETE STEPS THAT GO DOWN. BUT BUT I THINK THAT'S REALLY I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT DISTINCTION TO YOU. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE. DO WE HAVE A COMMENT ON THIS? YES WE DO. YES. EXCUSE ME, MISS SCHWARTZ, I'M GOING TO PROMOTE YOU TO PANELIST. AND WHEN I SEND YOU A NOTE, JUST ACCEPT IT AND THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO COME. OH, YOU'RE ALREADY IN THE MEETING. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN, AND. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CUT ME OFF IF I SPEAK FOR TOO LONG. MY NAME IS SUSAN SCHWARTZ. YES, MISS SCHWARTZ. EXCUSE ME, MISS SCHWARTZ. LET ME JUST JUST LET YOU KNOW. DO YOU SEE MY FACE? OH, YES. OKAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME? WHO'S ASKING ME THAT? YOLANDA? YES, I SEE YOU. HI. OKAY, SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS YOUR YOUR SPEAKING TIME IS THREE MINUTES, AND I'M GOING TO GO OFF. I'M GOING TO STOP MY VIDEO WHEN YOU SEE MY VIDEO COME UP AGAIN. YOU ALL HAVE 30S. OH, OKAY. START MY VIDEO. NO, NO, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT WHEN I'M CURRENTLY ON VIDEO. YES. AND YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. I AM GOING TO GO OFF VIDEO WHEN YOU HAVE. THEN I HAVE THREE MINUTES. [00:55:03] YOU HAVE 30S LEFT. I WILL COME BACK ON. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. MY NAME IS SUSAN SCHWARTZ. I'VE BEEN THE HEAD OF FRIENDS OF FIVE CREEKS FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS. MAYBE ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE HERE WHO REMEMBERS THE CREATION AND THE MEETINGS OF THE EASTSHORE STATE PARK. I'M REALLY NOT GOING TO COMMENT ON THIS DETAIL, BECAUSE AT MY AGE, I CAN'T THINK THAT QUICKLY. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SOME MORE GENERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THE TASK YOU ARE FACING. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS NOT THE LAST PART OF THE EAST SHORE STATE PARK THAT YOU WILL NEED TO DEAL WITH. WE HAVE MAINTAINED THE MOUTH OF STRAWBERRY CREEK SINCE BEFORE THERE WAS A PARK. AND YOU OWN THE STRIP SOUTH OF UNIVERSITY THAT IS PART OF EAST SHORE STATE PARK. THERE'S NO PLAN THERE. WE ARE NOW THINKING OF ABANDONING THE VERY HARD WORK WE HAVE DONE BECAUSE THAT AREA IS ERODING RAPIDLY, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE NO HOPE OF ANY REPLACEMENT OR REALISTIC PLANNING FOR IT. SO PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT. THIS IS THE LAST SECTION. IT'S NOT THE LAST SECTION. THANK YOU. I IN A MORE POSITIVE WAY. I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR LOOKING FOR AN A LA CARTE APPROACH HERE. IT'S FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT FRIENDS OF FIVE CREEKS WILL CONTINUE TO BACK DAYLIGHTING SCHOOLHOUSE CREEK. ALSO, PARTLY BECAUSE IT REDUCES THE THE CHANCES OF FLOODING IN BERKELEY. THERE HAVE BEEN DETAILED STUDIES YOU WOULD NEED MORE. BUT OF THE TOXICITY IT WAS A WORLD WAR TWO GARBAGE DUMP FILLED MORE OR LESS BY THE END OF WORLD WAR TWO. IT'S. SO AS A RESULT, IT'S LESS TOXIC THAN MODERN LANDFILLS BECAUSE THEY HADN'T INVENTED ALL THOSE CHEMICALS. BUT THERE THERE ARE TESTS. I HAVE A COPY, IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED. I'M SURE YOU HAVE A COPY, TOO. I WANT YOU TO URGE YOU TO THINK A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY ABOUT THE BALL FIELD AREA. THAT IS A JOINT POWERS ASSOCIATION. THAT IS A REGIONAL PLACE WHERE TEAMS FROM ALL OVER AS FAR AS FRESNO COME. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE COME TO THOSE FIELDS. IT IS A MARVELOUS OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE PEOPLE TO NATURE. THEIR FAMILIES COME TOO, RIGHT? AND THERE'S NOW NO ALMOST NO ACCESS, ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR THOSE PEOPLE COMING IN BUSSES TO GET INTO THIS PARK AND ENJOY IT. AND THEY SHOULD HAVE IT. YOUR YOU HAD A GROUP CALLED NEW VOICES EARLY ON. VERY EXCITING GROUP OF YOUNG PEOPLE AND INTERESTING PEOPLE. AND THEY URGED ESSENTIALLY THE SAME APPROACH THAT THAT NORTH VERY FAIRLY NARROW STRIP BETWEEN THE BALL FIELDS AND THE AND THE WATER, THE AWAY THAT YOUNG PEOPLE COULD BE ENCOURAGED INTRODUCED TO NATURE. SO THAT COULD BE REALLY QUITE DIFFERENT FROM THE MORE SOUTHERN, WIDER, WIDER PART. AND SO I'M CAN'T SPEAK NOW FOR FRIENDS OF FIVE CREEKS. WE HAVE A BOARD. BUT THERE'S JUST SOMETHING PRETTY GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT THERE'S A YOU COULD HAVE DIFFERENT APPROACHES IN THESE. AND I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SYMPATHY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER FOLKS WAITING? OKAY. NO ONE. NO ONE ELSE WAITING. SO ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD COMMITTEE HERE? ALL RIGHT. WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. JUST ONE MORE CLARIFICATION. I KNOW THAT IT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED, BUT THAT THIS WILL COME BACK TO YOUR COMMITTEE BEFORE IT GOES TO THE FULL BOARD. SO THERE'LL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SORT OF DAYLIGHT THE PROCESS WITH YOU. YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. GOOD POINT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO OUR FINAL INFORMATIONAL ITEM THIS THIS AFTERNOON IS THE BOARD EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE 2025 WORK PLAN. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON. MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. AMANDA GALLO, ASSISTANT TO THE GENERAL MANAGER. AND SO, YEAH, THE ITEM YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS SORT OF JUST A DRAFT EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WORK PLAN THAT REALLY OUTLINES ITEMS AND WHAT MONTH OR MEETING THEY WILL BE COMING. FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. AND OF COURSE, AS COMMITTEE MEMBERS, YOU CAN ADD ITEMS OR STAFF WILL MOVE OR ADD ITEMS AS THE YEAR GOES. SO THIS IS FOR YOUR REVIEW AND DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. HAVING HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS DO COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEY WANT TO MAKE OR [01:00:10] ADDITIONS? CHANGES? I GUESS I HAVE, YEAH, SURE. SO THERE'S TWO, TWO BIG ONES. I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT THE 2026 WORK PLAN GETS PRESENTED SOMETIME BEFORE THE END OF 2025, SO THAT WHEN WE START 2026 WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT MAYBE ON THE WORK PLAN. SO MAYBE IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER RIGHT NOW, WHERE WE HAVE ONE ITEM IN EACH OF THOSE MONTHS THAT COULD BE A POTENTIALLY GOOD TIME. WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE NOW WHEN IT IS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO REVIEW THE 2026 WORK PLAN BEFORE THE START OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING A LOT OF THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THE THE SECTION OF THE BOARD OPERATING GUIDELINES IN THE REPORT. SO THIS IS PAGE 39, SECTION 3.1.2 F. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOARD MEETINGS, SO THAT'S THE ENTIRE BOARD MEETINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS COMMITTEE ALSO START TO REVIEW THE YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL BOARD TOPICS AND ALSO TRY TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE AND I THINK THIS FEEDS INTO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING ON FRIDAY WHEN WE DO OUR BOARD PRIORITIES. SESSION NUMBER TWO, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THESE TOP BOARD PRIORITIES. AND CAN THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, THIS COMMITTEE START TO KEEP TRACK OF THOSE PRIORITIES AND HOW THEY MIGHT FOLD INTO EITHER EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE WORK PLAN AND OR THE FULL BOARD MEETING WORK PLAN. SO START TO KEEP TRACK OF THE FULL BOARD MEETINGS AS PART OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, WHICH I BELIEVE THAT'S HOW I INTERPRET ITEM F IN THAT 3.1.2. IT'S POSSIBLE I MAY NOT BE INTERPRETING THAT CORRECTLY. SO, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE I'LL TAKE I'LL DRAW AN EXAMPLE FROM THE PREVIOUS ITEM. YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND BIKE PARKS THROUGHOUT EAST BAY REGIONAL PARK DISTRICT AND THAT'S AN ITEM OF INTEREST FOR THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF KEEPING TRACK OF WHEN THAT MIGHT WHERE THAT MIGHT COME FORWARD. MAYBE IT COMES FORWARD TO THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AND OR TO THE FULL BOARD. AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S ONE OF THOSE TOPICS WHERE MAYBE IF WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A LIGHTER AGENDA FOR THE BOARD MEETINGS, THAT THAT COULD BE FOLDED INTO THAT LIGHTER AGENDA. BUT I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE, BECAUSE I KNOW AT LEAST THE TIMES THAT WE'VE REVIEWED OYSTER BAY SHORELINE AND THE BIKE PARK THERE, THAT THERE HAD BEEN SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST TO CREATE THAT, THAT BIKE PARK, BUT THAT IT'S ALSO ONE THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. SO IT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND BIKE PARKS IN GENERAL. DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT? YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY SO I. DEFINITELY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AROUND THE BOARD PRIORITIES. SO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY. I THINK WE CAN KIND OF BRAINSTORM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE HERE IN COMBINATION WITH YOU'VE GOT YOUR LOOK AHEAD CALENDAR. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE THE UPDATED MATRIX THAT WE KIND OF ARE ON A SCHEDULE AT THE FULL BOARD ON. SO LET US BRAINSTORM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF HOW WE COULD PLUCK CERTAIN ITEMS OUT OF THERE AND BRING THEM HERE ON AN INFORMATIONAL BASIS. YEAH. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE STILL SEE THE LOOK AHEAD OR THE MATRIX OR I'M NOT SURE IF I'VE SEEN THAT. YEAH. SO I THINK I THINK AND I THINK YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND TOO, I BELIEVE STARTING NEXT ON MONDAY. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING THAT TO YOU MONTHLY. YEAH. SO I THINK I THINK I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO ALSO SAY IS THERE MIGHT BE THIS LIST OF TOPICS THAT AREN'T LIKE SUPER URGENT, BUT COULD ALSO BE OF INTEREST TO REVIEW AT SOME POINT, ESPECIALLY IF WE START SEEING THEM IN A NUMBER OF PROJECTS. OR WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THE LEASE AT SHADOW CLIFFS MIGHT BE COMING UP IN 2028. SO I'M JUST GOING TO USE THE BIKE PARKS AS AN EXAMPLE SINCE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE ON DECK, BUT IT'S NOT ALSO SOMETHING THAT I SEE AS SUPER URGENT PER SE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING THAT AS PART OF OUR DECISION MAKING MATRIX FOR, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT YOU KNOW, AT EAST SHORE PARK OR OYSTER BAY SHORELINE, ETC., I THINK IT'S JUST HELPFUL TO HAVE KIND OF THAT ALSO THAT THAT LIST OF NON-URGENT. BUT BUT AREAS WHERE WE SEE THIS LIKE, YOU KNOW, COMMON COMMON TOPIC ACROSS, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT PARKS AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE EAST BAY. AND JUST KNOWING IN GENERAL, BIKES ARE JUST SO IMPORTANT WITH YOUNG PEOPLE AND SO POPULAR NOWADAYS. SO I THINK IT'S A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION AROUND BIKES. AND THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ONE. I THINK THERE'S MANY OTHER TOPICS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GO INTO THAT BRAINSTORM PER SE. BUT THAT'S ALSO SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO IS BRAINSTORM. WHAT ARE SOME OF THOSE TOPICS WHERE WE SEE THAT KIND OF NEED TO DISCUSS AT SOME POINT? [01:05:04] IT MIGHT NOT BE URGENT, BUT IT'S STILL VERY RELEVANT TO TO TO BRING TOGETHER. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S HELPFUL. SO WE'LL KIND OF THINK THROUGH WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AND COME BACK TO YOU GUYS. ALL RIGHT. GREAT GREAT IDEAS. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE MOVE THE GENERAL MANAGER EVALUATION ITEM UP EARLIER. AND IDEALLY, I WOULD SAY MOVE IT TO JULY, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A JULY, SO THAT I THINK I THINK IT JUST SORT OF BY DEFAULT WOULD FALL INTO JUNE. BUT JUST I JUST DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW, BE RUSHED OR ANYTHING ON THAT JUST ALLOWS A LITTLE MORE TIME TO GET IT DONE. AND WITHIN THIS YEAR. SO YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET GET GOING ON THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. ANY OTHER. YEAH. GO AHEAD. YEAH. YEAH. I ACTUALLY HAD A COMMENT ABOUT THE ACTUALLY, THE GENERAL COUNSEL'S RIGHT. THE GENERAL COUNSEL'S THERE. THERE, THERE. WAIT. YEAH, THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE LUMPED TOGETHER. OKAY. YEAH. THE GENERAL MANAGER WILL COME FIRST, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. YEAH. SO, YEAH, I WASN'T SURE. I ACTUALLY MY QUESTION WAS MORE LIKE WHAT? THAT WHAT WE MEAN BY THIS. SO IS THIS TO SET TO SET THE PROCESS, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? IS THAT WOULD THAT BE THE AGENDA ITEM? SO WE'RE PUTTING THIS ON THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE CALENDAR TO SET THE PROCESS OR. YEAH, THAT WAS THE I THINK THE CONVERSATION THAT OCCURRED. I'M LOOKING AT ALISON, MAYBE BECAUSE I KNOW SHE HAD SPOKEN TO PRESIDENT MERCURIO ABOUT THIS. THERE IS A PROCESS THAT'S LAID OUT IN THE IN OUR CONTRACTS. SO I BELIEVE THIS WAS TO KIND OF MEMORIALIZE WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE. BUT I'M GOING TO WITH HER OLD HR HAT ON. HI THERE. ALISON COOK, DEPUTY GENERAL MANAGER. YES. EACH OF THE GENERAL MANAGER AND GENERAL COUNSEL CONTRACTS HAVE THE PROCESS BY WHICH YOU EVALUATE THEM ON A YEARLY BASIS. AND WHEN I SPOKE WITH PRESIDENT MERCURIO, WE SPOKE ABOUT STARTING THIS PERHAPS IN THE SUMMER WITH AN EVALUATION DATE SOMETIME IN AUGUST. SEPTEMBER. AND SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THE BOARD WANTS TO PROCEED, BUT THAT'S THE PROCESS BY WHICH IS IN THE CONTRACTS. YEAH. SO WE DEFINITELY YEAH, WE HAVE A PROCESS. THAT'S WHY I JUST WASN'T REALLY SURE WHAT THIS ITEM MEANT ON HERE. BUT I GUESS THIS IS TO CLARIFY, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE IF WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THEIR EVALUATIONS DONE IN THE FALL, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS NEXT MONTH, BECAUSE IT'S A LONG PROCESS, AS YOU ALL RECALL. SO IF WE I MEAN, I, I DON'T, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD AND MAYBE YOU GUYS ALREADY AGREED, BUT BUT IF THE GOAL IS TO HAVE EVALUATIONS FOR THE GENERAL MANAGER AND GENERAL COUNSEL THIS YEAR, I THINK GOING OVER THE PROCESS IN AUGUST IS SORT OF LATE. SO I THINK I THINK THERE'S A PROCESS TO GET TO THE PROCESS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PROCESS OF DETERMINING EXACTLY HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH IT. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK I WAS SUGGESTING THAT IT MOVE UP TO IN THE JUNE. SO MY MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT PRESIDENT MERCURIO, PERHAPS YOU HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH BOTH THE GENERAL MANAGER AND THE GENERAL COUNSEL SEPARATELY, BECAUSE THERE'S TWO WAYS TO DO THE PROCESS. IT COULD BE THE INFORMAL PROCESS WITHOUT A FACILITATOR, OR IT CAN EITHER PARTY GENERAL MANAGER OR GENERAL COUNSEL, OR THE BOARD CAN REQUEST A FACILITATOR. AND THEN THERE'S MORE OF A DETAILED PROCESS FOR THAT. SO I THINK A CONVERSATION WITH BOTH WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. AND I THINK PART OF THE CONCERNS I KNOW WE DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO DO OUR GENERAL MANAGERS REVIEW IN 2024. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF OUR TOP DUTIES AS A BOARD. AND SO I THINK AS A BOARD, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF QUESTIONING, YOU KNOW, ARE DO WE THEN JUST MAKE THE DECISION TO SKIP 2024? ARE WE DOING A MAKEUP FOR 2024? I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVEN DISCUSSED THAT AS A BOARD. AND THIS IS ONE REASON WHY. AND I THINK AS BOTH OF YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT I DID FOR THE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS THAT I WAS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AT ZONE SEVEN, I LED OUR ADMINISTRATIVE COMMITTEE AND FORMALIZED THE PROCESS. AND SO I KNOW IN NOVEMBER OF 2023 WHEN DIRECTOR WAESPI WAS BOARD PRESIDENT, I HAD RECOMMENDED THAT WE FORM AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS PROCESS IN ITSELF. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT THE REVIEW ITSELF, BUT JUST THE PROCESS AS A BOARD TO TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS. [01:10:07] AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE REALLY FOLLOWED THROUGH ON THAT IDEA. SO I THINK THE SOONER WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, THE BETTER, BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING AT THIS FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. SO MAY COULD, COULD, COULD BE, COULD BE OF INTEREST TO, TO, TO JUST START THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE A LOT TO WORK OUT LOGISTICALLY, OURSELVES IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING THINGS. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD MIGHT HAVE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT PREFERENCES. RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. I AGREE. YEAH. WELL, IN JUST A CONTRACT, THERE'S A CONTRACT IN PLACE THAT ALREADY GOVERNS THIS. SO, SO SO, YEAH, I GUESS THERE IS AN OPEN QUESTION ABOUT 2024 VERSUS BUT BUT I CAN I, I DON'T KNOW IF I YEAH I GUESS I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S ON THE AGENDA. BUT YEAH I MEAN MY VIEW IS THAT WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO ROLL IT TOGETHER. I MEAN, I DON'T SEE US DOING A 2024 AND A 2025 AT THIS POINT. BUT YEAH, ANYWAY, I GUESS MAYBE THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. BUT THE MAIN THING IS THAT THERE'S A CONTRACT THAT GOVERNS THIS. AND SO I AGREE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION BETWEEN YOU KNOW, OUR BOARD PRESIDENT AND OUR GM AND OUR GENERAL COUNSEL TO TO GET CLEAR ON THE THE BIG PICTURE PROCESS. AND THEN WE CAN WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE. OKAY. IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT THE GENERAL MANAGER'S EVALUATION WAS ON CLOSED SESSION AGENDA FOR SEPTEMBER OF 2024, AND THAT CLOSED SESSION WAS CANCELED. AND THEN WE MOVED INTO THE GENERAL COUNSEL EVALUATION PROCESS. SO THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT, BUT IT WAS THE CLOSED SESSION WAS CANCELED. SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS WE HEAR YOU AND DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH TRYING TO MOVE THIS UP. SO I THINK WE CAN TAKE THIS OFFLINE AND LOOK AT KIND OF WHAT THAT WHAT THE PROCESS FOR DISCUSSING THE PROCESS COULD LOOK LIKE AND WHEN WE COULD BRING THAT AND TOTALLY HEAR THE, THE COMMITTEE OF YOUR DESIRE TO BRING THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE LOGISTICALLY WE CAN MAKE THAT ALL HAPPEN. IF YOU MAY, IT MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS. BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN JUST ONE OTHER THING I JUST WANTED TO ALSO AGREE WITH WITH DIRECTOR SANWONG ABOUT IF WE COULD MOVE THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE 2026 WORK PLAN TO SAY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR SO WE CAN I MEAN, IN DRAFT, I SUPPOSE OR, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS I THINK IS IS FLEXIBLE TO THE EXTENT THAT SOMETHING IMPORTANT MIGHT COME UP OR WE MIGHT NEED TO CHANGE THINGS BECAUSE OF TIMING. BUT BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO APPROVE SOMETHING. SO WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, ETC., SO THAT WE CAN AT THAT. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I THINK I THINK WE'VE BEAT THIS UP ENOUGH HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SURE. SORRY, I MEANT TO ASK THIS EARLIER. SO IF WE WANTED TO REQUEST ITEMS TO BE ADDED TO THE WORK PLAN OR MOVED AROUND ON THE WORK PLAN, WHAT MIGHT THAT PROCESS LOOK LIKE? AND I THINK MAYBE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE REALLY DONE BEFORE. SO MAYBE IT'S BEEN MORE INFORMAL, BUT I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION TO ALSO ASK. AND THEN FOR US TO TO WORK THROUGH AS WE THINK ABOUT THESE THINGS. YEAH. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WE'RE TRYING NOT TO CREATE A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXTRA BUREAUCRACY AND EXTRA PROCESS IF WE DON'T NEED TO. YOU KNOW, KIND OF IS THERE A, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE? SO I WOULD SAY IF YOU HAVE ITEMS THAT YOU WANT. I MEAN, WE HAD HEARD WE, YOU KNOW, WE LISTEN, WE ADDED WE ADDED A BUNCH. BUT IF YOU ALL HAVE PARTICULAR ITEMS, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY JUST EMAIL AMANDA AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT KIND OF WHEN WE CAN GET IT ON THERE. I HIGHLY DOUBT THAT THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE WE'RE LIKE, NO, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. IF ANYTHING, SOME OF THEM MAY BE MORE OF LIKE A MAYBE THAT SHOULD GO TO THE FULL BOARD. AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF TALK THAT THROUGH WITH, YOU KNOW, THE VICE PRESIDENT AND THE PRESIDENT AND SEE WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT. AND I DID WANT TO MENTION SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES RELATED, WHICH I AM VERY USED TO HAVING, WHAT YOU REFER TO AS KIND OF THAT RUNNING LIST OF NO SPECIFIC DATE ITEMS THAT JUST KIND OF GETS ADDED TO OVER TIME AND THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AS YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE TURNOVER ON THE BOARD AND THERE COULD BE MORE INTEREST IN HAVING AN ITEM COME UP THAT IT GETS PULLED OFF OF THAT LIST. SO WE CAN WE WE KIND OF HAVE OUR INTERNAL GARGANTUAN LIST OF ITEMS. SO THINKING THROUGH FOR THIS COMMITTEE, SINCE THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE IS KIND OF A CATCH ALL FOR EVERYTHING, RIGHT? SO KIND OF ADDING THAT AS A, AS A, YOU KNOW, NO SPECIFIC DATE PENDING ITEMS TOTALLY USED TO DOING THAT AS WELL. [01:15:03] SO WE'LL PUT SOME BRAINPOWER TO THAT. ALL RIGHT. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S SEE WHAT'S NEXT. ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM ANYONE AT ALL? [Announcements] ALL RIGHT. I HAVE ONE OTHER REQUESTS. I THINK WE I THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT. YEAH. I JUST NOTICED WE HAVE A BOARD SITE TOUR COMING UP AND I DON'T HAVE IT IN MY CALENDAR, SO IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE THESE CALENDAR ITEMS COME OUT, MAYBE FROM THE BOARD SITE TOURS TEAM. I PUT IT IN MYSELF JUST TO RESERVE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A WEEK FROM FRIDAY. IT'S MAY. AND HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MAY STARTS TOMORROW. BY THE WAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW TOMORROW IS MAY 1ST, JUST PERSONALLY, BUT IT JUST MIGHT BE HELPFUL NOW THAT WE'RE ENTERING THE SITE TOUR SEASON TO HAVE THOSE IN OUR CALENDARS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE'S NO APRIL 31ST IT SNEAKS UP ON YOU. YEAH. SO MAY 9TH. OKAY, THERE'S AN ANNOUNCEMENT. THERE'S A SITE BOARD SITE TOUR COMING UP ON MAY 9TH WHICH WILL BE QUARRY LAKES AND SOMETHING ELSE. RIGHT. QUARRY LAKES FOR SURE, I KNOW. OKAY. SO IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE WILL ADJOURN AT 11 OR 1221. THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.